When will you be able to retire?

cyphoon

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Taxes on untaxed 401k or IRA are substantial.

Minor clarifications for the casual observer:

1- The standard deduction for married couples is $30,000, which means that the first $30,000 of combined income from SS benefits, pensions, and withdrawals from traditional retirement accounts is tax free.

2- There is no FICA tax on withdrawals from traditional retirement accounts, nor is there FICA tax on SS income. So that flat tax of 7.5% that you paid your entire working career is a thing of the past in retirement.

3- After that first $30,000, the next $96,950 is taxed at a rate of 10-12%

4- If your SS income, pension income, and withdrawals from traditional accounts total $126,950, then you will owe tax of $2385 + $8772 = $11157 which equals an effective tax rate of 8.8%. Had you earned that same income from a job, you would owe the same $11157 plus $9521 in FICA tax, for a total tax burden of $20678, an effective tax rate of 16.2%

Overall, the blanket statement that withdrawals from traditional retirement accounts are taxed substantially is a bit misleading. They are taxed less than the same amount of job based income.

The x-factor of course is RMDs, which is a whole other topic.

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Is anyone planning on retiring in the next few years? Are you planning to have a investment professional help get you there? I'm primarily concerned with tax hits from 401K, pension, etc.. I'd like to make reasonable choices but not spend a lot of money for an advisor. Many advisors I have found want a steady fee over time, but I'd like to just get periodical checks to make sure everything is going well.
I am going to be retiring in a few years. I have a Vanguard advisor that is helping me prepare for that with investing and the navigation of social security, IRA's, Roth conversions and RMD's. I also am going to hire a person to consult with on a yearly basis to oversee what we are doing and to help my wife with all of that stuff, if I should pass in an untimely fashion.
 

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We are less than one nestegg double away from retiring. Hoping to retire in about 5 years at age 58, which happens to coincide with our mortgage being paid off. Market returns of 8% or better, combined with not losing my job, would get us there comfortably.

Returns of 10% would get me there a year early. Our nestegg target is a bit on the conservative side. Shave $500k off of that target and we could be set in a just a couple years. Still not certain just how much income we will need in retirement.

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Is anyone planning on retiring in the next few years? Are you planning to have a investment professional help get you there? I'm primarily concerned with tax hits from 401K, pension, etc.. I'd like to make reasonable choices but not spend a lot of money for an advisor. Many advisors I have found want a steady fee over time, but I'd like to just get periodical checks to make sure everything is going well.
If you're comfortable doing your own investing, I'd suggest meeting with a CPA who specializes in tax planning on an hourly fee basis.
 

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I will probably do a "phased retirement" where I gradually decrease my work responsibilities and stress levels the closer I get to my full retirement somewhere between 58 and 62.
 
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Is anyone planning on retiring in the next few years? Are you planning to have a investment professional help get you there? I'm primarily concerned with tax hits from 401K, pension, etc.. I'd like to make reasonable choices but not spend a lot of money for an advisor. Many advisors I have found want a steady fee over time, but I'd like to just get periodical checks to make sure everything is going well.
$120 per year gives you a very good idea where you stand. Plus you can analyze different scenarios going forward to stress test and see how things may turn out.

 

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My wife is “retiring” at the end of the month. Hoping to relocate in 10 years when my oldest graduates high school and we’re in our late 40s. At that point hoping to be at a place where I’ll still be working for another 5 to 10 years, but have the flexibility where I can work a job I want/is available more than needing to hit a necessary earned income level.
 
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$120 per year gives you a very good idea where you stand. Plus you can analyze different scenarios going forward to stress test and see how things may turn out.

I like using Bolden. A very good financial analysis tool.
 

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I have a well organized spreadsheet that I update every year. I’m on planning on working for another 30 years… until I’m 67.

My assumptions (savings rates, returns, draw down rates, and lifespan) are all very conservative.

So I suppose I could retire sooner. Or maybe live more frivolously now. But I’ve told myself I’ll reassess the actual date much more seriously when I’m 45 and just keep accumulating for now.

I don’t know how one could ever anticipate medical expenses….
 

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Not exactly sure.
I have a well organized spreadsheet that I update every year. I’m on planning on working for another 30 years… until I’m 67.

My assumptions (savings rates, returns, draw down rates, and lifespan) are all very conservative.

So I suppose I could retire sooner. Or maybe live more frivolously now. But I’ve told myself I’ll reassess the actual date much more seriously when I’m 45 and just keep accumulating for now.

I don’t know how one could ever anticipate medical expenses….
Your last part, medical, is why many retire before they want. There are many that say I’m going until 65 for Medicare. Then a medical problem arises and forces them out.
 
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My point was its a myth that each person is paid the same, which it is. Yes, we all get the same increase year after year. But even if you are at 30+, you still get the increase that the union bargained for. So do all the nonunion teachers, I like to call them scabs. I pay my union dues, and they get the same raise that our union bargained for.
How is education any different than many factory jobs, they use a scale, and where you land on the scale is your salary.

Years ago I was teaching in a district that gave bonuses to teachers for meeting district standards or above. The only problem was no one except the shop teacher knew about it. He was good friends with the principle. We figured he made an extra 3 grand for each of those years. When the rest of us found out, we did the extra eval. I think I ended up with an extra hundred bucks like everyone else. That was dropped from the contract shortly after.
The problem with merit based pay in education is it just does not work real well. What do I base it on? Maybe one year I have a class of highly rated kids and then the next year I have a lot of poor to average students. Their basic skills ranking is going to up or down depending on how high the kids are. Take a teacher that only has upper level AP classes, how do you compare him to the teacher that has all freshman students? You can't, merit pay for teachers sounds good on paper, but generally does not work in the classroom.

I think you meant "principal". No raise for you.
 
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I also use Bolden. My company also provides a free retirement checkup with a financial advisor every few years, which I've been taking advantage of for a decade or so. I have about 30% of my retirement savings in Roth and at this age I'm probably on the conservative side of investing. Over the last few years, I've moved a lot of my investments to TDF's (2030) and even created a 5 year TIPS ladder that starts in 2030.
One advantage I have is that I have some older friends who are retiring now(at 58) so I can watch what struggles they have. After 35 years of saving for retirement, they are struggling with the concept of actually withdrawing. They have plenty of money, but it's always a struggle to make sure you're doing the right thing. It's also challenging when you have no children. I'm handling my mother's finances right now, and I can't imagine what she would do if i wasn't.
 

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In 12 years at 55, hopefully. As long as there isnt collosal ratfarkery or natural disaster affecting the markets.

Now, that's retire from my current job. I may contract on occasion, or find a lower key job. My wife is a year younger than me, and likely will be a full time professor until her late sixties. Personally, I hope Hy-Vee expands to NE Ohio. That way I can end my working days as I began them.
 

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