MLB: when will mlb stop the bench clearing brawls?

[cybsball20]

How's that? Every sport has players close to each other, maybe not tennis I suppose.

In basketball and football you are always right up next to each other and fans have no idea what is said 95% of the time. In baseball you are normally separated with the exception of the catcher and the hitter so when something does go down it looks a lot worse than it really is.

 

[3TrueFans]

In basketball and football you are always right up next to each other and fans have no idea what is said 95% of the time. In baseball you are normally separated with the exception of the catcher and the hitter so when something does go down it looks a lot worse than it really is.

Oops, I misunderstood what you wrote.

I still don't see why they need bench and bullpen clearing brawls though. If someone gets involved in a fight that isn't their business they should get immediately tossed along with the people involved in the fight and probably suspended.

 

[HFCS]

NBA getting into it with a fan - full season suspension
college basketball getting into it with a fan - 3 game suspension
NBA barely getting off the bench during an altercation - automatic suspension even if what's happening on the court is 100x worse with much less punishment
MLB bench clearing brawl - basically nothing in the scope of a season

Just thought these four things are interesting. You can't say the NBA has gone light on discipline since Malice at the Palace. They basically fixed a championship one year by applying the rules so rigidly it was ridiculously unfair. Baseball probably thinks its stadiums are arranged in a way that prevents the same issues, and they're probably right…until something were to happen.

 

[tm3308]

Bunting is like a trick football play that's almost never done?

You'll notice that teams rarely bunt for hits with huge leads, too. There's a reason for that.

 

[Clonefan32]

I find comedy in watching a "bench clearing brawl" during the heart of hockey season. Their "brawls" are the hockey equivalent of a slap fight.

 

[3TrueFans]

Maybe it's just pitchers that can't handle anything even remotely negative. When a guy hits a three pointer and poses or slaps his chest and yells to the crowd you don't see the defender get all ****** off and try to fight him. Even in soccer when a guy scores a goal and rips off his shirt and acts like he won the lottery, cured cancer and killed Hitler all in the same day, you don't see the goalie come over and get in his face trying to start something.

 

[Clonefan32]

You'll notice that teams rarely bunt for hits with huge leads, too. There's a reason for that.

Here are baseballs "unwritten rules" again. I can't remember which game it was (I want to say Red Sox/Orioles) earlier this week but the opposing team was all ****** that the other team was bunting with a 7 run lead... in the first inning. If you aren't still trying to generate runs in the first inning then you don't want to win...

 

[3TrueFans]

You'll notice that teams rarely bunt for hits with huge leads, too. There's a reason for that.

One of the stupid unwritten rules where you can't still play to win the game even though leads are blown all the time?

 

[wonkadog]

Baseball and baseball players are ******* stupid. They have to be the thinnest skinned athletes ever. All these stupid "unwritten" rules, and then a pitcher gets mad because someone rocked him and looked at the ball for too long before running. Or the other day when a team tried to bunt for a hit while up big at the beginning of a game and they got their panties in a twist. You apparently can't be trying too hard to win a game or not trying hard enough to win a game or someone will get ****** and throw a ball at you later.

Get out of "our" country! Seriously though, pot meet kettle futbol fan.

 

[3TrueFans]

Also if you're down big don't even think about stealing to get back in the game, that's just mean to the other team.

 

[cybsball20]

I find comedy in watching a "bench clearing brawl" during the heart of hockey season. Their "brawls" are the hockey equivalent of a slap fight.

I don't know. Maldonado's shot on Snyder was a pretty damn good one. Funny two that the two Pirates most involved in the brawl, Martin and Snider both grew up playing hockey. Russ Martin is ALWAYS looking to fight

 

[3TrueFans]

Get out of "our" country! Seriously though, pot meet kettle futbol fan.

I don't get the pot meet kettle in this situation, no Premier League teams are clearing benches because the other team scored while up big in the first half. No goalies are running at the other player because they celebrated after a penalty shot.

Soccer has a serious diving and faking injury problem, I won't even try to dispute that, but that's another problem for a different thread.

 

[3TrueFans]

To further the pitcher are big ******* babies theory, do they clear benches when pitchers scream and fist pump or whatever after a strike out?

 

[tm3308]

Here are baseballs "unwritten rules" again. I can't remember which game it was (I want to say Red Sox/Orioles) earlier this week but the opposing team was all ****** that the other team was bunting with a 7 run lead... in the first inning. If you aren't still trying to generate runs in the first inning then you don't want to win...

I must have missed it earlier in the thread; I didn't realize we were talking about the first inning.

 

[tm3308]

I don't get the pot meet kettle in this situation, no Premier League teams are clearing benches because the other team scored while up big in the first half. No goalies are running at the other player because they celebrated after a penalty shot.

Soccer has a serious diving and faking injury problem, I won't even try to dispute that, but that's another problem for a different thread.

There's a difference between celebrating and pimping. Pimping a homer like that is kind of like Richard Sherman "celebrating" all up in Crabtree's grill. That sort of thing garners a response from the opposing team in just about any sport. Add in that Gomez didn't even hit it out, and he deserves to have some **** given to him (albeit not from the pitcher, IMO).

 

[3TrueFans]

I must have missed it earlier in the thread; I didn't realize we were talking about the first inning.

I'm guessing him and I are both talking about this

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...-jed-lowrie-have-words-following-bunt-attempt

Up 7-0 in the first, guy tries to bunt for a hit, next trip up the pitcher throws pitches inside and through his legs, because a guy tried to get on base in the first inning...

 

[ISUCubswin]

To be fair, hockey players have a ton of padding on, allowing for more punishing hits. Hockey is still much more violent, though.

Also, if baseball players did get in fights like hockey players, where they're holding onto jerseys and everyone backs away to watch two people fight, those players would be suspended for a long, long time.

 

[Clonefan94]

Bunting for a hit with a big lead is like running a flea flicker when you're already up by three touchdowns. I'd wager most people here would be pretty ****** if someone pulled that crap against ISU.

I have issues with the score being run up on college kids for sure. Pro Athletes? Not so much. Your getting paid to win and paid a lot of money to do that. If you can't figure out how to win while getting paid a couple of million a year, you deserve to have your face rubbed in **** when you lose. It's not the other teams fault you can't stop them.

As I said though, this goes for pros, not college or high school.

 

[clone26]

This was all built up from Thursday when the teams nearly got into it during batting practice. KRod wanted to start throwing early while the Pirates were still on the field prompting Snider to ask him to move. KRod had a colorful response and it escalated from there.

As for Cole / Gomez. This thing is a non-issue if the benches don't clear. Cole said what he wanted to say and went back to the mound.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

I don't understand why bunting for a hit is against "unwritten" rules. It's not too different than swinging for a hit and it should be easy to just get the guy out, shouldn't it?