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CloneSt8

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BoxsterCy said:
Those aren't the definitions used in NCAA WBB. It's "unsportsmanlike" and "disqualifying" but that's sort of a technicality. Sort of just new terms for Flagrant 1 and Flagrant 2 from FIBA like quarters and not half's and no one-and-ones.

The incidental fingers slap to Audi was, as announcers like to say, "a basketball play" and that was not likely to be called upon review. Would have been a foul if seen live but not something they are going to assess a foul to upon review. They aren't reviewing to see if there is a regular foul, that was one, but only reviewing to see if something rose to "unsportsmanlike". Basically that one was a foul they missed but not an "unsportsmanlike" one. The one on TT was correct and easy. Think the other one on Jackson could have been a pass upon review but I think they were looking to get control of the game a little and maybe Jackson not being 100% innocent on the previous one played into it.

It's sometimes hard to know what they will decide upon review. Frankly I think they do too many of them. If it's an elbow thrown, especially above the shoulders it's almost automatic. Fingers and incidentals to face, pretty low chance.


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The NCAA's Playing Rules Oversight Panel adopted the "flagrant" term before the 2011-12 season for both men's and women's basketball. However, the NCAA's women's rules committee abandoned the term "flagrant", effective with the 2017–18 season, in favor of FIBA's "unsportsmanlike" and "disqualifying" terms.[7] These fouls are counted as personal fouls and technical fouls.

  • A flagrant 1 foul (men's) or unsportsmanlike foul (women's) involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball, including especially when a player "swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders". This offense includes the former "intentional foul" of fouling an opposing player to prevent an easy breakaway score. In women's basketball only, the unsportsmanlike foul also includes contact dead-ball technical fouls. The penalty for a flagrant 1 or unsportsmanlike foul is two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul.
  • A flagrant 2 foul (men's) or disqualifying foul (women's) involves unsportsmanlike conduct that is extreme in nature, including "when a player swings an elbow excessively and makes contact above the shoulders", o excessive or severe contact during a dead ball (men only). Fighting is also a flagrant 2 or disqualifying foul. The penalty for a flagrant 2 or disqualifying foul is immediate ejection of the offender, plus two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at
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BoxsterCy said:
Those aren't the definitions used in NCAA WBB. It's "unsportsmanlike" and "disqualifying" but that's sort of a technicality. Sort of just new terms for Flagrant 1 and Flagrant 2 from FIBA like quarters and not half's and no one-and-ones.

The incidental fingers slap to Audi was, as announcers like to say, "a basketball play" and that was not likely to be called upon review. Would have been a foul if seen live but not something they are going to assess a foul to upon review. They aren't reviewing to see if there is a regular foul, that was one, but only reviewing to see if something rose to "unsportsmanlike". Basically that one was a foul they missed but not an "unsportsmanlike" one. The one on TT was correct and easy. Think the other one on Jackson could have been a pass upon review but I think they were looking to get control of the game a little and maybe Jackson not being 100% innocent on the previous one played into it.

It's sometimes hard to know what they will decide upon review. Frankly I think they do too many of them. If it's an elbow thrown, especially above the shoulders it's almost automatic. Fingers and incidentals to face, pretty low chance.


NCAA​

The NCAA's Playing Rules Oversight Panel adopted the "flagrant" term before the 2011-12 season for both men's and women's basketball. However, the NCAA's women's rules committee abandoned the term "flagrant", effective with the 2017–18 season, in favor of FIBA's "unsportsmanlike" and "disqualifying" terms.[7] These fouls are counted as personal fouls and technical fouls.

  • A flagrant 1 foul (men's) or unsportsmanlike foul (women's) involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball, including especially when a player "swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders". This offense includes the former "intentional foul" of fouling an opposing player to prevent an easy breakaway score. In women's basketball only, the unsportsmanlike foul also includes contact dead-ball technical fouls. The penalty for a flagrant 1 or unsportsmanlike foul is two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul.
  • A flagrant 2 foul (men's) or disqualifying foul (women's) involves unsportsmanlike conduct that is extreme in nature, including "when a player swings an elbow excessively and makes contact above the shoulders", or excessive or severe contact during a dead ball (men only). Fighting is also a flagrant 2 or disqualifying foul. The penalty for a flagrant 2 or disqualifying foul is immediate ejection of the offender, plus two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the division line opposite the scorer's table.
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Thanks. But what confised me is that the official announced over the PA system that it was being upgraded to an "intentional foul" Those were his words. I saw nothing "intentional" in the foul.
 
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CloneSt8 said:
Thanks. But what confised me is that the official announced over the PA system that it was being upgraded to an "intentional foul" Those were his words. I saw nothing "intentional" in the foul.
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"Intentional" = F1
"Disqualifying" = F2

"Unsportsmanlike" is no longer used.
 
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theshadow said:
"Intentional" = F1
"Disqualifying" = F2

"Unsportsmanlike" is no longer used.
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Intentional is so vague as to what it applies to. The foul doesn't have to be intentional to get that nom de guerre. This is used instead of "technical" these days. Definitely a poor choice of verbiage by the NCAA.
 
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acoustimac said:
Intentional is so vague as to what it applies to. The foul doesn't have to be intentional to get that nom de guerre. This is used instead of "technical" these days. Definitely a poor choice of verbiage by the NCAA.
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A technical is still a technical. That hasn't changed.
 
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theshadow said:
A technical is still a technical. That hasn't changed.
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correct…but the criteria to the layperson can overlap. For example, an intentional is called when excessive contact is made with an opponent (I.e. the call on Wilson) or wraps up an opponent to prevent a breakaway basket. A technical can be called for "unsportsmanlike conduct." Figuring out the fine line between those seems rather nebulous at best and subjective.
 
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GoodyISU1 said:
Right? I liked her at ISU & was sad she left but to do this gesture while losing & then post it was kind of silly
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Just like you. She was one of my favorites as I tend to lean towards the working class player. Hated to see her go as I felt she had a very bright future here.
 
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