UNLV QB is leaving the program immediately due to the school not withholding NIL commitments

[SolterraCyclone]

That's up to the players. They can't be forced to form a union. Until one exists, employment laws and the Sherman Antitrust act applies.

Well a.) I’m arguing how it should work (not how it currently does) and b.) why your Cola metaphor doesn’t really make sense because Coke vs Pepsi isn’t the equivalent of Notre Dame vs Iowa State.

Also, there is an injunction on the FTC’s non-compete ban so schools could potentially offer contracts (if they classified them as employees) with non-competes or at least penalties if they leave. Now if every school did that would they be guilty of collusion. Probably, but I don’t know, that would be up to the courts. Or if the NCAA gets anti-trust exemption then they could potentially go that route too.

 

[Land Grant]

This isn't an airport, you don't need to announce your departure.

And college football is still a more enjoyable product IMO.

That's a clever first line. Pat yourself on the back. It seems to me, however, that a long time college football fan expressing their growing disillusionment at the state of things is exactly germane to this thread. The fact that we are in exact disagreement on your second sentence proves the point.

 

[OtownClone]

Source: trust me bro?

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The other thing to consider is the graduation rates for the general population of students. Generally, it is lower compared to the graduation rates for football players or student athletes as a whole. There are exceptions, like with the Georgia football team (last in FBS at 61%). But on the whole, athletes are provided with more structure and support than non-athletes at universities. This leads to higher graduation rates. The scholarships and financial support have a real impact on young people as does the leadership and mentorship they receive. I think that is the reason some are sad about the end of amateurism. If the great things about college athletics start to fade, will interest and support from fans do the same?
None of this excuses the NCAA, conferences, or schools who have profited so much off these young people, from sharing an appropriate proportion of those profits with the athletes themselves. The structure the NCAA once provided has benefited the overall success of college athletics. It would be nice to see some kind of solution where the good of the whole and the individuals are balanced effectively.

 

[Tailg8er]

That's a clever first line. Pat yourself on the back. It seems to me, however, that a long time college football fan expressing their growing disillusionment at the state of things is exactly germane to this thread. The fact that we are in exact disagreement on your second sentence proves the point.

Hey man, if a Holy Cross QB leaving a Mountain West school (when you don't even know all the facts of WHY exactly he's leaving) gets you to stop watching college football, I'm guessing you weren't as big of a fan as you thought to begin with...

And I'm pretty sure for every 1 of you disillusioned fans who stop watching, there will be 3 new fans in your place (evidenced by the growing TV numbers). But you knock yourself out!

 

[Mr Janny]

Well a.) I’m arguing how it should work (not how it currently does) and b.) why your Cola metaphor doesn’t really make sense because Coke vs Pepsi isn’t the equivalent of Notre Dame vs Iowa State.

Also, there is an injunction on the FTC’s non-compete ban so schools could potentially offer contracts (if they classified them as employees) with non-competes or at least penalties if they leave. Now if every school did that would they be guilty of collusion. Probably, but I don’t know, that would be up to the courts. Or if the NCAA gets anti-trust exemption then they could potentially go that route too.

We can argue what "should" be until we're blue in the face, but we're not on the cusp of federal legislation. A players union is not on the verge of forming. Your "should be" arguments amount to slightly more than tossing a nickel in a wishing well, at this point.

 

[TitanClone]

But the NFL is comprised of wholly-owned entities too right. And an employee cannot leave the Cowboys to go to the Jaguars whenever they want.

Notre Dame is not the product. The games themselves are the product. Without football games, Notre Dame football has no value

I'd look at college players more like NFL practice squad players than those on rosters. Any team can snag a practice squad player they just have to be on the active roster for the first 4 (I think) games on the new team.

It's why the 49er's activated Purdy from the get go and carried 3 active QBs. There were a handful of teams that were going to sign him immediately if they hadn't.

 

[JM4CY]

That's a clever first line. Pat yourself on the back. It seems to me, however, that a long time college football fan expressing their growing disillusionment at the state of things is exactly germane to this thread. The fact that we are in exact disagreement on your second sentence proves the point.

Or it's subjective to the viewer and not something that can really be debated honestly.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

We can argue what "should" be until we're blue in the face, but we're not on the cusp of federal legislation. A players union is not on the verge of forming. Your "should be" arguments amount to slightly more than tossing a nickel in a wishing well, at this point.

Fair enough. I went back and re-read your post and you used the terminology “functioning as expected” not “should”. Which I agree with. With the transfer portal, NIL, conference realignment, etc. yes CFB is functioning as expected.

My argument is that the way CFB is operating right now isn’t how it “should” because it’s not sustainable. And it’s not how other functioning businesses (Coca-Cola is the metaphor you used) operate in America.

 

[MugNight]

Other industries have government regulations in effect to prevent the destruction of that industry.

Right now, there are no regulations to prevent the demise of college athletics. Greed is ruling the day and, if left unchecked, it will completely destroy college athletics.

We’ve entered Late Stage CFB

 

[CYDJ]

No, I got your point. It's just not apt. Sprite, Coke, Cherry Coke are all owned by the same corporation. That's not the organization in college athletics. The NCAA is a governing body, but doesn't own the entities within it.
Notre Dame is an entirely separately owned business than Ohio State. They may operate in similar spaces, but they're entirely distinct, legally and financially.

Not MY point. And I kind of agree with both of you. But, college sports is kind of a package. If you try to go off and win all by yourself without the rest of the group? You can shoot yourself in the foot.

Coke vs. Pepsi lines are like conferences. You say only buy coke and forget about the other offerings we have in the Coke line, you lose a large part of your market who like diet drinks and anything not Coke. That is why Coke probably bolsters all the new stuff for a time.

 

[jcisuclones]

Even if he accepts this and returns, wouldn't you think the relationship with the staff and his teammates would be pretty much shattered at this point?

 

[RagingCloner]

Even if he accepts this and returns, wouldn't you think the relationship with the staff and his teammates would be pretty much shattered at this point?

honestly, with only 1 G5 team eligible to make the playoff, this does not seem like a great investment

 

[CtownCyclone]

Even if he accepts this and returns, wouldn't you think the relationship with the staff and his teammates would be pretty much shattered at this point?

Sounds like UNLV isn't even entertaining that offer.

UNLV rejected Derek Stevens’ offer to pay Matthew Sluka $100K | UNLV Football | Sports | UNLV

A representative for Circa CEO Derek Stevens contacted UNLV with an offer to pay quarterback Matthew Sluka the $100,000 he said the university owed him.

www.reviewjournal.com

 

[Cyched]

Sounds like UNLV isn't even entertaining that offer.

UNLV rejected Derek Stevens’ offer to pay Matthew Sluka $100K | UNLV Football | Sports | UNLV

A representative for Circa CEO Derek Stevens contacted UNLV with an offer to pay quarterback Matthew Sluka the $100,000 he said the university owed him.

www.reviewjournal.com

Seems a little foolish to turn it down when it’s on the table. UNLV doesn’t seem to be the type of place to worry about setting precedent.

 

[Cyforce]

He didn't stop playing mid season
He held out from start didn't he?

Why does that make a difference? He loses his final year of eligibility if he plays another game. We don't know which side is lying.

 

[3TrueFans]

Seems a little foolish to turn it down when it’s on the table. UNLV doesn’t seem to be the type of place to worry about setting precedent.

I imagine any possible relationship between the player and the team is gone now.

 

[cycloneman003]

Seems a little foolish to turn it down when it’s on the table. UNLV doesn’t seem to be the type of place to worry about setting precedent.

Regardless of circumstances, you can’t bring Sluka back into that locker room. If I was his teammate I’d be furious. No brainer for UNLV to say thanks but no thanks

 

[AuH2O]

Regardless of circumstances, you can’t bring Sluka back into that locker room. If I was his teammate I’d be furious. No brainer for UNLV to say thanks but no thanks

Maybe the most interesting thing in all this is how the narrative seems to be that losing a QB with a grand total of 13 completions against the two bad FBS teams they've faced is going to derail their season.

He's a good runner, but he's a complete dog crap passer. I guess he did complete a season-high 8 passes in outdueling Deacon Hill and Utah Tech.

 

[Clonefan32]

Wonder if they've tried the Dumb and Dumber "We offered you 100,000 doll hairs" trick yet.

 

[gypsyroad]

Seeing a story like this gives the ESPN 30 for 30 "Pony Excess" a much different look than it had when it came out eight years ago.

Had the NCAA made the NIL changes instead of loosening the transfer rules (which I feel was their "concession" to the athletes in lieu of payments) things might be less confusing today. Cat is out of the bag now.

I'm not opposed to the players getting paid, quite the opposite actually. I'm happy for them. But had the NCAA not tried to keep the organization and schools from controlling every penny for as long as they possibly could, they may not be so feckless now. I'm not even sure why the NCAA exists at this point.