UNLV QB is leaving the program immediately due to the school not withholding NIL commitments

[jsb]

Here's the type of stuff that scares me. What's to stop Iowa from offering Connor Moberly a half million to transfer to Iowa? Absolutely nothing.

QB is really the only position where Iowa is sorely lacking, and it's the most important position of all. A player like Connor would add two entirely new dimensions to Iowa's offense, a serious down field throwing threat and a serious mobile QB threat. Unlike Mcnamara, he'd be worth every penny.

That’s the same as it has been for us though. I think we’d all be shocked at how much a lot of our players could make on the open market and were likely offered by other teams.

If this fairly unproven guy at unlv thinks they promised him $100k, then I bet 15 of our guys had offers that exceeded that.

 

[Gunnerclone]

We can only blame ourselves. This is a society issue. We value money over all.

Legitimately. “We’re” paying for this lol.

 

[NWICY]

Feel like kid probably blew the money on something dumb and told his dad he never got it and it spiraled out from there. Assuming unlv isn't lying off their ass about money being paid.

A little off topic but didn't one of Deion's kids declare bankruptcy? I want to say it was shaduer(?)

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Why do college athletics need special rules that the vast majority of employers and employees aren't subjected to? The majority of states have Right to Work laws. Employees can leave with no notice, for any reason. Does it hurt a business when a good employee takes a different job offer, for more money? Yep. But that's the way it works. I can go ask my boss for a raise, right now, and walk out on the spot if I don't like their response. What makes college athletics so different than the rest of the business world, that schools need extra protection from employee turnover?

For the same reason the NFL and other professional sports leagues (and that’s where we are headed) have rules. Special or not, you have to have rules. The NFL has a single commissioner, the owners and players each have associations, the players have a union, etc.. they are aligned bodies and protect the interests of each party.

I am fine with NIL but combined with realignment and the transfer portal, there needs to be some enforceable rules. If for nothing else to protect the kids and this may be a great example of why. You seem content with the Wild West, but the kids, while having more to gain, are at greater risk of being taken advantage of and not just by schools, but agents, handlers , collectives; than ever before.

 

[AuH2O]

A lot of people shrugged their shoulders as if this is how pro sports works. No pro league works like this.

Yeah, there are a lot of people throwing things out there as if this is at all like pro sports, other employment, including at will employment.

No, nothing is really like this at all. In pro sports even in the extreme case where a player sits out to force a trade or new contract, there are contractual remedies and penalties clearly spelled out. In typical at will employment there are still a ton of contractually agreed upon terms and conditions for the typical job.

There are huge dollars, life changes, and legal ramifications for players and universities. And there are transactions being made or agreed to based on verbals? What nonsense.

 

[KennyPratt42]

There are some pro sports that are like this, but they aren't main stream American pro and minor leagues. Lots of stories about basketball players going over to small to midsize leagues in Europe or Asia and not getting paid or not getting anything like what they were promised. Basically any time you end up with a sport that either doesn't have or doesn't have an effective governing body with oversight and enforcement authority you end up with situations like this.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

“Verbally agreed” - when will people learn to use contracts…

How do you make the move without a signed contract first?!

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Yeah, there are a lot of people throwing things out there as if this is at all like pro sports, other employment, including at will employment.

No, nothing is really like this at all. In pro sports even in the extreme case where a player sits out to force a trade or new contract, there are contractual remedies and penalties clearly spelled out. In typical at will employment there are still a ton of contractually agreed upon terms and conditions for the typical job.

There are huge dollars, life changes, and legal ramifications for players and universities. And there are transactions being made or agreed to based on verbals? What nonsense.

The schools aren't doing much to change things. Seems like they're fine with the situation. Of course not all schools are but I don't see them uniting and moving towards change.

 

[CycloneDaddy]

A little off topic but didn't one of Deion's kids declare bankruptcy? I want to say it was shaduer(?)

He is trying to not pay a legal settlement. That whole family is a bunch of frauds.

Shilo Sanders files for bankruptcy: Colorado DB's debt stems from allegedly assaulting security guard in 2015

 

[Cyhig]

Pretty much. And none of us seem to mind when it's our program that pulls in a coveted athlete through NIL.

And hope the player lives up to expectations

 

[AllInForISU]

Yeah, there are a lot of people throwing things out there as if this is at all like pro sports, other employment, including at will employment.

No, nothing is really like this at all. In pro sports even in the extreme case where a player sits out to force a trade or new contract, there are contractual remedies and penalties clearly spelled out. In typical at will employment there are still a ton of contractually agreed upon terms and conditions for the typical job.

There are huge dollars, life changes, and legal ramifications for players and universities. And there are transactions being made or agreed to based on verbals? What nonsense.

Exactly. The only similarity of this and pro sports on a business side, is money is involved.

For this to get reigned in, IMO, conferences can’t be able to be ran individually anymore. There needs to be standards.

 

[cyputz]

84% of all FBS football players graduate as of 2023.

Now remove the top 25-30 programs, how does it look now.
Or, just report on the top 25-30 programs

 

[Gonzo]

He is trying to not pay a legal settlement. That whole family is a bunch of frauds.

Shilo Sanders files for bankruptcy: Colorado DB's debt stems from allegedly assaulting security guard in 2015

Yep. I won't be surprised one bit if/when the story comes out about Shedeur being bankrupt.

Imagine the mood at CU in a few years when Prime's kids are through and he bolts for greener pastures. He's using that university like a rented mule.

 

[AuH2O]

That’s the same as it has been for us though. I think we’d all be shocked at how much a lot of our players could make on the open market and were likely offered by other teams.

If this fairly unproven guy at unlv thinks they promised him $100k, then I bet 15 of our guys had offers that exceeded that.

Well, one coach throwing out a check value he doesn't have to write, and the collective is balking at it suggests he isn't worth that.

I'm not buying that ISU and other places have a bunch of guys turning down hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm sure there are a lot of guys getting marginally less at ISU than they could elsewhere, where it's close enough that the other factors are keeping them here. The fact is there's a ton of supposed leaked information about offers and deals, but some of it is probably BS to drive up offers.

There are some real deals that are quite big I'm sure. But I think people are taking a few dozen deals, then extrapolating those to create some sliding scale and market value assignment for thousands of athletes. It's not a transparent market with decent reliable information at all. And a team here and there throwing a huge deal at guys doesn't set a market.

Hell, it's like people trying to use the Deshaun Watson contract to extrapolate to Lamar Jackson and other QBs value. One moronic team offering a stupid contract that no one else would've paid doesn't set the market. Now take into account that vs. college NIL, the NFL is about a million times more transparent, established and organized, and rife with owner collusion. And yet there's still nonsense outlier contracts.

Eventually there will be a smoother market. That will take time, people sifting through what's real and what's BS in terms of $ thrown out there, and collectives getting to more stable revenues.

 

[fsanford]

So the analogy seems to be the hiring manager inflated expectations at the interview but once he sat with HR there was nothing in his contract of employment. But he agreed to work anyway in hopes it would be later corrected.

Sounds like he hired an agent who was not licensed to do business in Nevada.

Note to player make sure you hire a licensed rep.

They hired a new agent to now handle things

 

[StPaulCyclone]

The schools aren't doing much to change things. Seems like they're fine with the situation. Of course not all schools are but I don't see them uniting and moving towards change.

The schools with the clout to make positive change are the ones benefitting the most from the current situation. Don’t look for a school led solution anytime soon.

 

[Clonefan32]

I do love the argument of "how can he do this to his teammates (that he's known for approximately 4 months)"

 

[CyCrazy]

Yep. I won't be surprised one bit if/when the story comes out about Shedeur being bankrupt.

Imagine the mood at CU in a few years when Prime's kids are through and he bolts for greener pastures. He's using that university like a rented mule.

He will bolt after his kid and Hunter leave after this year.

 

[intrepid27]

I know he runs very well but I am curious what teams would be paying for a QB that seems to be a better runner than passer. GT no longer runs the triple option.

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Less than 58% career completions percentage. I'll bet he ends up in Iowa City.

 

[AuH2O]

The schools aren't doing much to change things. Seems like they're fine with the situation. Of course not all schools are but I don't see them uniting and moving towards change.

Schools like ISU screwed themselves back around when Northwestern was trying to organize. Pollard and other ADs made a false choice. They thought the status quo was possible, and anybody with a brain new it was going to change.

All the non-blueblood programs should have been out front on this and pushed the following:
- Make athletes employees
- Let them organize and collectively bargain
- Pay them fairly hefty stipends
- Offer good health benefits, support for insurance if injured, etc.
- In exchange, agree that there are restrictions to what they can claim independently from NIL. This one would have been tough in court, but it could've held up. First, if this is in exchange for good pay and benefits a majority of athletes that aren't highly marketable superstars would support it. Second, the schools have legit claim that the association with their sports teams drives the NIL value.

Non-blueblood schools would all be way better off. A vast majority of athletes would've been better off. This would've been absolutely supported by the public.