Tyrese Hunter Entering the Transfer Portal - NIL Speculation

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I guess if we are going to get good players from the portal we have to be prepared to lose some. I think the transfer portal and NIL are going to turn into a very bad thing if they don’t come up with some type of restrictions that make sense for everyone.

Agreed. It'll be just like the current job market, everyone trying to get the best deal for themselves and not caring about companies or stock holders.
 

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Can student athlete's receive Pell Grants or other forms of non-loan based financial aid?

It's a question I have. It's seem to me that schools like Drake, Central, Grandview have found a way to survive and maybe thrive.

Conversely, we hear about enrollment struggles for a school like UNI. And it not just UNI, saw a recent article where University of Wisconsin-Platteville enrollment is down something like 20% over the last 5 years. For years funding athletics has been part of the growth solution for University Presidents. Has there been a shift and now schools need to invest elsewhere?

Yes!! Most scholarship athletes receive the max Pell Grant amount in addition to the value of their scholarship. There are also other NCAA funds they can receive (funds for clothes for example).
 
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Agreed. It'll be just like the current job market, everyone trying to get the best deal for themselves and not caring about companies or stock holders.

Which is exactly why some companies like Facebook pay certain levels (very attainable ones..) a lot of money in total comp. It's all about a talent war at the end of the day, but while someone with 10-15 years experience is making $700K-$800K/yr, you have people a few levels above them raking in millions a year. I guess that's not a ton different with college sports with NIL. Now you have to worry about the blue bloods or those with a lot of money being full and you getting some good talent who can't or doesn't want to go elsewhere.

The way that companies have stayed competitive is basically by upping their pay. The ones who cannot afford it end up offering equity as a result in case they go public and the people can strike it rich earlier. Unfortunately there's nothing like that in college sports so the little university is going to lose out typically now and everyone else just has to race to the top of the money game instead.
 

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Right. I wish Tyrese, as a human being, success, happiness, and prosperity. But he's no longer a Cyclone, he won't graduate a cyclone, he wont declare for the draft as a cyclone, and if/when he makes the NBA and they announce his name, they won't announce him as a cyclone. Allegiance is gone.

Yeah, I prefer NBA outside of my ISU passion and I pretty religiously follow all of our Cyclone players.

I can't remember checking Wes Johnson's box score a single time, yet I've followed all of Wigginton's stats since he got called up. He left earlier than a lot of people thought he should but he was chasing the NBA and hard to not think of him as just as much of a Cyclone as anybody else. In the end he worked his way up to his chance and whether he sticks longer or this is his cup of coffee it's been fun seeing him achieve a dream.

I like Hunter as a person so much, I probably will follow him if he makes the NBA some day, but will not follow his minor league career just like I don't watch G League basketball. I don't see the appeal of minor league basketball that isn't connected to my alma mater I grew up cheering for. At his height if he does make the NBA it will mean he is one completely fantastic player to watch.
 
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I haven’t really kept up with this thread, but IMO ISU fans cannot afford to pay hundreds of thousand of dollars every year for NIL. As some have mentioned we will have to compete for the mid-major athletes. However, one way ISU (fan base not university) could become more competitive is by having a NIL endowment of sorts. The payment to the athletes comes from interest generated on the capital instead of having to raise new funds every year etc.
There are a lot of high major talents that start at mid major programs. Some guys just develop later in the cycle than others. The benefits in the transfer port go both ways at every level.
 
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Can student athlete's receive Pell Grants or other forms of non-loan based financial aid?

It's a question I have. It's seem to me that schools like Drake, Central, Grandview have found a way to survive and maybe thrive.

Conversely, we hear about enrollment struggles for a school like UNI. And it not just UNI, saw a recent article where University of Wisconsin-Platteville enrollment is down something like 20% over the last 5 years. For years funding athletics has been part of the growth solution for University Presidents. Has there been a shift and now schools need to invest elsewhere?
They are eligible for financial need based programs.

That's why Drake (and Valpo, Butler, Davidson, etc) play non-scholarship football. The cost of running a football program, even with the ridiculous travel in that league, is far offset by having an extra 80 students paying full or partial tuition.

Regional public universities just simply don't have the same flexibility because the vast majority of them are controlled by the same systems like the Board of Regents in Iowa that control the larger, flagship state universities.
 

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Sources: A group of heavy-hitting Iowa State boosters and alumni have already created an NiL collective. I’m hearing it will be live in the next few weeks. Stay tuned

To be honest, I'm not sure how to feel about this. I realize that we live in a new NIL world now and we'll have to play this NIL game to be competitive, but I doubt it's sustainable for ISU and I have no desire to donate even more of my money for kids who have little loyalty to ISU and are just looking to cash in.

If anyone is interested, I’m going to start an NIL collective for regular students that don’t get any scholarships. The Mark “Natty Mark” Nuckowski shirts are going to be off the chizain. Hoping to get him enough NIL cash to buy a case of Natty every Friday and Saturday night for as long as he’s in Ames.
 

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If anyone is interested, I’m going to start an NIL collective for regular students that don’t get any scholarships. The Mark “Natty Mark” Nuckowski shirts are going to be off the chizain. Hoping to get him enough NIL cash to buy a case of Natty every Friday and Saturday night for as long as he’s in Ames.
Regular students can just go get a part time job for beer money.
 

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Agreed. It'll be just like the current job market, everyone trying to get the best deal for themselves and not caring about companies or stock holders.

No offense to them but I've never cared about stock holders in any job market.
 

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True, but that's also not elite guard category, sorry. Elite guards at NCAA level in freshman year don't even have an adjustment time. They were playing so far above the level of their HS teams, and even above the level of a lot of NCAA D1 schools that they come into NCAA play without much issue.

IMO Tyrese is not an elite guard yet. With the right coaching he could become one, but it's absolutely true he was inconsistent offensively. He definitely played better down the stretch but I'm sorry, basically "elite freshman guard" and "adjusted 2/3 of his freshman year to D1 play" are almost oxymorons.
I guess I missed the word elite in my post. I just keep seeing "a 27% shooter" thrown around. That was a concern for his game but those who are courting him see that he was better in high school and has improved to a very good shooter after his adjustment period in college.

It is not going to require true freshman players to be top 2% in all of college basketball to be courted by other schools with NIL deals. Those top 2% as true freshmen are going to be leaving their schools but not for other schools. They are called one and dones.
 

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Regular students can just go get a part time job for beer money.

Why are you trying to make Mark work at Burger King? That’s the whole point of this. I don’t want him to have to pay for anything so he can be just like the basketball team. I’m starting out by hopefully buying his beer, but in the future if he’s a good student I’m hoping that his NIL will cover all of his bills.
 

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I guess if we are going to get good players from the portal we have to be prepared to lose some. I think the transfer portal and NIL are going to turn into a very bad thing if they don’t come up with some type of restrictions that make sense for everyone.

The previous transfer rules combined with NIL might have been a better fit for the long term sustainability of college sports (and provide some fair compensation for the few athletes who do bring in a lot more money than they are compensated with) but it is what it is.

Given where the courts landed on NIL, I'm guessing if anything the transfer rules get even less restricted if anything. Maybe unlimited transfers all the time. I wonder if there's even a legal argument to allow mid season transfers. (not saying I agree with it, but somebody could try to make it)

If Hunter really wants to make the NBA and cash in to the tune of 30-200 million there...staying at ISU might have made some sense vs sitting a year at a blue blood. Still hard to turn down nearly a million bucks though.

ISU point guards frequently playin the NBA lately and players who sit out a year in the middle of their college career aren't usually rewarded in the draft. THT could very well end up as a point guard in the NBA, it's where he played best this season.
 

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They are eligible for financial need based programs.

That's why Drake (and Valpo, Butler, Davidson, etc) play non-scholarship football. The cost of running a football program, even with the ridiculous travel in that league, is far offset by having an extra 80 students paying full or partial tuition.

Regional public universities just simply don't have the same flexibility because the vast majority of them are controlled by the same systems like the Board of Regents in Iowa that control the larger, flagship state universities.
But could UNI go to Drake like model? And have financial aid packages replace scholarship?

I don't have knowledge of how it works behind the scenes. Does UNI (and for that matter ISU) get money from the Federal Govt for each athletic scholarship? Is it yes for both Full and Partial Athletic Scholarship athletes? Or does it differ by type of scholarship.

Thanks. I know it's a bit of a tangent from Tyrese discussion.
 

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I will be interested to see if this story gains national traction. I can't think of many other occasions in the NIL world where a seemingly happy underclassmen from a non-mid major basically just opens up to the highest bidder. Maybe Kendric Davis? I suppose Marcus Carr last year?

It will be interesting to see if the national folks see the situation for what it is and comment on it.
 

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Bad decision, in my opinion. Cyclonefanatic saw it coming but I wanted to dismiss it. Lipsey and maybe A.J.
-- let's go!!!
 

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