What does Mizzou care about high school content. Are they doing legwork for Bobby Stoops? I would say let them show high school content - then let the other Big 12 members also show four times as many high school games on the LHN. If they will not share revenue, make them show stuff they do not want to show. Heck, ESPN is showing tons of high school games as it is. Does anyone watch those games?
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I'm still having trouble buying that part. For the schools that couldn't afford to leave anyway, it ensures that we stay, but reality already ensures that.
For the schools that seem to print money, it's just an inconvenience for them to negotiate their way out of.
This is the exact sort of commitment that we as a conference can't get people to actually put on paper. We can make some press releases with interesting/exciting news, but we can't actually get it done contractually. I have trouble seeing that we would pull this off, or that it would have the expected benefit.
Delaney may be waiting a long time on the pot then. ND actually won a couple of games lately.
Mizzou is dragging their feet. I say we just go to this conference lineup immediately. If Mizzou decides to stay, add TCU to balance divisions neatly.
If Mizzou bolts, we're more stable than we were with 9 teams and no championship game.
I'm open to any division setup, as long as it's those 12 teams, and as soon as possible. Sick of this. The best football conference in 2011 should not be the one sitting around doing nothing while the crappy ACC grows more stable and powerful by the day. If it's all about football as so many say, why is the crappy football conference untouchable and the 2nd best is getting picked apart.
The real question is why does it take two months to get a SEC invite when Mizzou already has one. Does he want to decide after the regualr football season. Explore options sounds like the Mizzou plane needs to go visit Austin. Most agreed to six years. Most want 13 years. Why not go with 10 years to sign away the rights?
We have two games that SJ needs to play well - aTm and Mizzou.
The $7M and $9M exit fees for CU and NU were not enough. For the next team that leaves, we want blood. $28M exit fee is not enough for aTm. $40M is not enough for Mizzou. Time to sue the Slive himself and the SEC for meddling, manipulation, and conspiracy. Go Baylor. Go Ken Starr.
8 teams do not cut it.
Contracts will be null and void.
If I was Fox or ESPN, I would want money back for 8 teams. That would make the league more unstable again. That would mean 7 conference games and 5 non conference cupcake games. Other coinferences will have 9 conference games and a championship game.
We would start the conference in mid Oct then. If I was a sportswriter, I would derate OU and UT in the polls because they had a small confference with lkess competition. I do not think 8 teams cuts it when three or four conferences will have 16 teams. It is also detrimental to the bball race with only 14 conference games. Not enough competition. Do we really want to play UNI, Iowa, Wyoming, Colorado State, NDSU before going to conference. For all we know, Iowa could drop us off their schedule at that point.
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Until everyone goes to 16....
Big12 expands to 12. Then in a couple years we hope that ND goes to the Big10 and KU and ISU goes with them. Long shot, but WTH.
We will never be stable in this league.
Big12 expands to 12. Then in a couple years we hope that ND goes to the Big10 and KU and ISU goes with them. Long shot, but WTH.
We will never be stable in this league.
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Yes, twitter is where all of my best sources come from. It's also how I do all of my recruiting.
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What both Baylor and ISU should favor is 12 or more teams, I go back and forth on Mizzou and here is why.
If Mizzou stays you have 12 with 5 schools as possible flight risks with the PAC4 and Mizzou. Replacing them with a WVU or someone like them adds 1 more likely to help us in terms of relative strength vs the BE/MWC/whatever if this happens down the road.
Mizzou adds a lot but replacing them helps with contingency plans.
If Mizzou stays you have 12 with 5 schools as possible flight risks with the PAC4 and Mizzou. Replacing them with a WVU or someone like them adds 1 more likely to help us in terms of relative strength vs the BE/MWC/whatever if this happens down the road.
Mizzou adds a lot but replacing them helps with contingency plans.
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I totally favor 12 teams, I just think UT and OU want 10 and they get what they want. If 2 teams, I would want BYU and Louisville, if 12, I would want Boise St and TCU. This would split it this way:
Div1:
ISU
KSU
Boise
KU
BYU
TCU (To keep UT happy)
Div2:
UT
OU
OSU
BU
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I think that conference would be very cool. And put serious stipulations to Boise on their use of partial qualifiers and stupid blue field.
Div1:
ISU
KSU
Boise
KU
BYU
TCU (To keep UT happy)
Div2:
UT
OU
OSU
BU
TTech
Louie
I think that conference would be very cool. And put serious stipulations to Boise on their use of partial qualifiers and stupid blue field.
Alden: "Okay Dave the Rave Boren, maybe we can get Powers on the run today. He is stuck knee deep in the LHN. He goes to bed with the contract stuck under his mattress. He has ESPN horns hung in his room. I think you should tell them that OU has an offer from the SEC also for team #16 and that UT is screwed. Let's put the leverage on Dods and Powers again. Let's hear the squirming across statelines from their office."
Let me put it a different way: you're OK with an entity (the LHN) owned and controlled by the University of Texas having free reign to record hours and hours of video on potential recruits in Texas, to do with as they please. They can produce video montages for national broadcast that showcase any player they want. They can make a HS player a star before he ever puts on a college uniform. I wonder how that might impact an 18 year-old's school choice?
I don't think LHN cares if anyone watches their HS content (they get paid for carriage rights all the same). This is for recruiting advantage, pure and simple. Texas will get to see more, evaluate more, and showcase more than anybody else.
The Big 12 can't kill the LHN (not without Texas jumping ship and imploding the conference) and it can't seem to work out a reasonable compromise. I'll never understand why we think that the rules that have worked so well for other conferences (like equal revenue sharing and fair play on network issues) can't work here.
CycloneErik
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That part stuns me, too. This is just plain stupid, over and over and over.
You just mentioned in another thread that you dont recruit against Texas, you recruit the leftovers and make them stars. If that's the case, than why does Mizzou care about this recruiting advantage? Plain and simple, Mizzou wants a cut of the revenue pie; revenue that Mizzou will do nothing to help generate.
I think it boils down to UT. If we try to implement the same rules that other conferences have, UT will blow it up and go to the Pac-16. The LHN is what is keeping them here. We need the LHN. At the same time, the LHN is causing instability among other schools in the conference.
So a balance needs to be struck. It all comes back to UT, and we need to find a way where they are satisfied enough with the LHN, while all the other schools are satisfied enough with how controlled the LHN is.
That is the cause of current instability - schools jockeying for position. I think that's what Mizzou is doing, but if UT does not make any concessions, maybe they will actually head out of here.
If we can get that 13 year grant of rights... it would be HUGE. Guaranteed stability.
I couldn't care less what UT shows on their network. We aren't competing with them for recruits any how. Simply put, it doesn't affect ISU or most of the schools in the Big 12 save maybe OU and A&M. A&M left, and OU is getting their own network and will be able to go tit for tat with UT.
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