*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[twojman]

I will say this again, all Big 12 schools outside of Texas need to form a conference network. This network would be picked up in Kansas, Mizzou, Iowa, Oklahoma and Texas. There would be more cable providers carrying this in a month then the LHN could get in close to a year. The LHN would crumble.

Now the big question, do you partner with ESPN so as to easily integrate the LHN with the Big 12 network but have the inherent conflict of interest? Do you partner with Fox? They have Fox Sports Midwest in KC that could serve as a regional base to broadcast from and already carry the Tier 2 deal. Do you bring in a third party such as NBC/Comcast or CBS? Does the Big 12 foot the huge upfront costs and hope to make that back over a few years?

 

[Cydwinder]

Reason #73 not to pay attention to Greg Swaim: he's indicating that the Big 10 has offered Mizzou and Rutgers.

Main reason I know this isn't true is that Rutgers would accept that in a heartbeat. Especially with the current BE situation.

 

[hawkfan]

Reason #73 not to pay attention to Greg Swaim: he's indicating that the Big 10 has offered Mizzou and Rutgers.

I'd bet both of my testicles that this hasn't happened.

For Delany, it is Notre Dame or bust at this point. The Big Ten isn't going to expand any further without the Domers.

 

[Al_4_State]

I'd bet both of my testicles that this hasn't happened.

For Delany, it is Notre Dame or bust at this point. The Big Ten isn't going to expand any further without the Domers.

Exactly. Any B1G expansion rumor that doesn't include ND is just complete and utter crap.

Which coincidentally, is what everything Greg Swaim has said about realignment has ended up being.

 

[Mizzoulander]

I will say this again, all Big 12 schools outside of Texas need to form a conference network. This network would be picked up in Kansas, Mizzou, Iowa, Oklahoma and Texas. There would be more cable providers carrying this in a month then the LHN could get in close to a year. The LHN would crumble.

Now the big question, do you partner with ESPN so as to easily integrate the LHN with the Big 12 network but have the inherent conflict of interest? Do you partner with Fox? They have Fox Sports Midwest in KC that could serve as a regional base to broadcast from and already carry the Tier 2 deal. Do you bring in a third party such as NBC/Comcast or CBS? Does the Big 12 foot the huge upfront costs and hope to make that back over a few years?

Wait a second...you want to spend a WHOLE lot of money to (hopefully) "crumble" a major investment of arguably your most important conference partner? So that they'll eventually cave and do what they should have done in the first place? (form a Tier 3-wide network) And you think that Texas will just go along with this? Out of desperation?

The moment the conference agreed not to fight LHN's distribution deal, all hopes of a BTN-like "Big 12 Network" died. Recall the BTN-Mediacom fight a few years ago: Mediacom eventually caved because the entire Big 10 was in complete solidarity - UI never attempted to intervene. They let the conference do the talking. Eventually, Hawk fans started abandoning Mediacom for satellite, so as not to lose games they always had on TV before. As a result, Mediacom paid a HUGE per subscriber fee (something like $1 per) to carry the BTN. And the money train was born.

Most of the remaining Big 12 North schools haven't been on TV consistently. There's no market for (fill in the Big 12 school) vs. Middle Tenn. State outside of the campus's DMA. And they CERTAINLY aren't united enough to force a cable company to put the network on anything but the most premium sports tier (not much money for us there).

Best bet is to take the money the LHN is willing to pay for the games, and beat the snot out of whomever you're playing.

 

[HoopsTournament]

“@HoneyRoyPalmer: @GSwaim Did you see this line: *"One Big East coach feared the worst, telling ESPN.com via text message, "the big east is finished."”

 

[ISUcy08]

“@HoneyRoyPalmer: @GSwaim Did you see this line: *"One Big East coach feared the worst, telling ESPN.com via text message, "the big east is finished."â€￾

It could be if we take WVU, Louisville, and Cincy! :yes:

 

[Al_4_State]

“@HoneyRoyPalmer: @GSwaim Did you see this line: *"One Big East coach feared the worst, telling ESPN.com via text message, "the big east is finished."â€￾

Which is why we don't need to worry.

The SEC is going to 14, and whether that's with Mizzou or WVU, the Big East is toast. Either way, a ton of teams are leaving and many of them will be joining the Big 12.

 

[Jack & Hilton]

Which makes me wonder where will Notre Dame's non football sports go?

 

[Rogue52]

Still a lot of conventional wisdom being discussed in regards to what Team X does or what happens to Conference Y.

If every other conference stands pat TODAY, I'm not sure it's smart at this moment for any Big East team to sign a 6 or 13 year Grant of Rights to the Big XII conference.

 

[Judoka]

Which makes me wonder where will Notre Dame's non football sports go?

Big East dieing as a football playing conference doesn't mean the Big East dieing as a basketball/Olympic sport conference

 

[HoopsTournament]

Still a lot of conventional wisdom being discussed in regards to what Team X does or what happens to Conference Y.

If every other conference stands pat TODAY, I'm not sure it's smart at this moment for any Big East team to sign a 6 or 13 year Grant of Rights to the Big XII conference.

Why? If Grant of Rights is signed, no one is leaving.

 

[twojman]

Wait a second...you want to spend a WHOLE lot of money to (hopefully) "crumble" a major investment of arguably your most important conference partner? So that they'll eventually cave and do what they should have done in the first place? (form a Tier 3-wide network) And you think that Texas will just go along with this? Out of desperation?

The moment the conference agreed not to fight LHN's distribution deal, all hopes of a BTN-like "Big 12 Network" died. Recall the BTN-Mediacom fight a few years ago: Mediacom eventually caved because the entire Big 10 was in complete solidarity - UI never attempted to intervene. They let the conference do the talking. Eventually, Hawk fans started abandoning Mediacom for satellite, so as not to lose games they always had on TV before. As a result, Mediacom paid a HUGE per subscriber fee (something like $1 per) to carry the BTN. And the money train was born.

Most of the remaining Big 12 North schools haven't been on TV consistently. There's no market for (fill in the Big 12 school) vs. Middle Tenn. State outside of the campus's DMA. And they CERTAINLY aren't united enough to force a cable company to put the network on anything but the most premium sports tier (not much money for us there).

Best bet is to take the money the LHN is willing to pay for the games, and beat the snot out of whomever you're playing.

Yes, put Texas on an island. No other conference wants the LHN. If Texas is on an island in their own conference they will realize a conference network is the only way to handle these types of games and also the only way to build a strong conference. A conference with teams fighting against each other for market share will not last.

 

[Rogue52]

Why? If Grant of Rights is signed, no one is leaving.

Exactly.

The Big East team is essentially committed to the Big XII for the foreseeable future, which is great for the Big XII. I'm not sure it's great for the Big East team IF the SEC, ACC, and Big Ten stay where they are today. In a few years, I'm sure those conferences will explore expansion again where the Big East teams would still be available if they don't jump. Not so if they've already signed a 13 year agreement with the Big XII.

Louisville and Cinci probably don't have any real options outside of the Big XII and Big East, but WVU does. If WVU can keep the Big East together today, does Louisville and Cinci make a jump to the Big XII or not?

I don't know. I just don't think these Big East teams jumping to the Big XII is as big of a slam dunk as some think.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Exactly.

The Big East team is essentially committed to the Big XII for the foreseeable future, which is great for the Big XII. I'm not sure it's great for the Big East team IF the SEC, ACC, and Big Ten stay where they are today. In a few years, I'm sure those conferences will explore expansion again where the Big East teams would still be available if they don't jump. Not so if they've already signed a 13 year agreement with the Big XII.

Louisville and Cinci probably don't have any real options outside of the Big XII and Big East, but WVU does. If WVU can keep the Big East together today, does Louisville and Cinci make a jump to the Big XII or not?

I don't know. I just don't think these Big East teams jumping to the Big XII is as big of a slam dunk as some think.

If you were Louisville, West Virginia or Cincinnati (ESPECIALLY Cincinnati) would you turn down the chance to be in a (now) stable conference that is going to have a HUGE tv deal or stay in a conference that is unstable that won't be on the off-chance that you might get a shot at the SEC, ACC or B1G.

Plus, there is no guarantee that when the BCS requalifies in 2014, that the new Big East will be AQ (although I don't think they will take it away).

West Virginia - Not a slam dunk for the SEC or ACC, never will go to B1G
Louisville - Long shot for SEC or ACC, never will go to B1G
Cincinnati - Never will go to SEC, ACC or B1G

I agree with you if I am Rutgers or UConn - They will probably be prime targets in ACC or B1G expansions. SEC might have a hard time finding #16 if they invite West Virginia (despite what 'I can get to 16 teams in 15 minutes' Slive says).

I agree it isn't a slam dunk, but looking at it from their perspective, a 6 year (or even better 13-year) grant of rights is a much more secure and lucrative future than staying in the Big East.

 

[SNEDDS3]

Paul Shirley's take on this crap.
Conference Realignment: Why Iowa State Is More Important Than You Think, by Paul Shirley

 

[Wesley]

Either WVU is going to the SEC or Mizzou is. Talk to the other big east teams, and let WVU know that if the SEC takes Mizzou, we have a spot waiting for them. Bring in 3 other BE teams or 2 BE and BYU, and wait to see what Mizzou does.

Maybe WVU is #14 and Mizzou is #15 and SEC is looking for ND as #16 for a crowning achievement. Basically SEC is screwing with the Big 12 and SEC hopes it explodes so Tam and Mizzou pay no exit fees. I say sue their ***** Baylor. Today.

 

[HandSanitizer]

I wish this whole thing was DVR'd. So I could just fast forward to the end. What a mess.

 

[Wesley]

Our choices are what, Nebraska, Minnesota, Missouri, and Illinois and (maybe) Wisconsin?

If the goal is a land bridge to the Big IVXII, then Missouri makes the most sense. If we want access to sea lanes and lots o' beer, then Wisconsin makes the most sense :wink:

Minnesota looks like the easiest sports team to roll. Get the rick Roll going. I say Move North and take over the Twin Cities for the conference. The time is now. Pass the bill. Whoops, wrong thread.

 

[Al_4_State]

Exactly.

The Big East team is essentially committed to the Big XII for the foreseeable future, which is great for the Big XII. I'm not sure it's great for the Big East team IF the SEC, ACC, and Big Ten stay where they are today. In a few years, I'm sure those conferences will explore expansion again where the Big East teams would still be available if they don't jump. Not so if they've already signed a 13 year agreement with the Big XII.

Louisville and Cinci probably don't have any real options outside of the Big XII and Big East, but WVU does. If WVU can keep the Big East together today, does Louisville and Cinci make a jump to the Big XII or not?

I don't know. I just don't think these Big East teams jumping to the Big XII is as big of a slam dunk as some think.

But if those Big East teams join the Big 12 and sign their rights away forever, there is no worry about the next round of realignment. You could stabilize the Big 12.