*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Al_4_State]

I suppose you blame battered spouses, too.

Seriously, that's nonsense. You expect TTU, Baylor, and TAMU to stick around in a conference that DOESN'T include UT? We can debate who's to blame for conference until the cows (longhorns?) come home. The fact is EVERY school is to blame, because the administrators failed to make the necessary agreements early on to take advantage of all the natural benefits the Big 12 could have provided. UT should have been more collaborative. The old Big 8 should have been more unified during the merger. We've never had strong conference leadership.

At the time, the Big 8 needed Texas, and the TX 4 needed the Big 8. That's no longer true. As more and more power shifted to the south, only single schools (NU, MU, etc.) stood up to protest, and only when it threatened their own narrow interests. That's everybody's fault.

As somebody said earlier, Missouri only has leverage right now because it has another option. Last year it didn't, and it was forced to agree to the UT/OU conditions. If ISU had the option, the fan base would be LIVID if they refused to pursue it in the name of "conference unity."

It would depend on the option. I want no part of ISU in the SEC. Ever. I love the idea of ISU in the B1G. If Mizzou was entertaining an option to that league, I would completely understand why they would want to move there.

The SEC on the other hand seems foolish. All I see the SEC providing Mizzou is stability, and stability is something they could have in the Big 12 if they stay. Mizzou will NEVER get left out in the cold as long as Kansas City and St. Louis are part of the state of Missouri.

I hope that Mizzou just uses this as leverage against Texas because, I think the more geographically centered the Big 12 stays, the better. The Big 12 is going to add schools with or without Mizzou, but I'd rather have that old rival be part of the league.

 

[cyfanatic]

I would be livid if ISU even considered joining the SEC. Its not a good fit for ISU what so ever...its a much better fit for Mizzou to join the SEC than ISU joining the SEC. However, I still dont think its a good fit for Mizzou. Now if the talk was Mizzou going to the Big 10, my opinion would be much different.

I wouldn't be livid at all. If the admins thought that the BigXII was unstable or going to collapse and I wanted long-term certainty I would hope the admins realized that the SEC offers that. Now...we have nothing to offer the SEC so it really doesn't matter.

 

[chuckd4735]

Missouri in the SEC will have less success than ISU in the Big 12(former, current, or future).

 

[chuckd4735]

I wouldn't be livid at all. If the admins thought that the BigXII was unstable or going to collapse and I wanted long-term certainty I would hope the admins realized that the SEC offers that. Now...we have nothing to offer the SEC so it really doesn't matter.

If the administration were to think the SEC would ever be a good fit for ISU, than there is something on the table that I am completely overlooking.

 

[CyBer]

Everyone go to their twitter account and post "Missouri is staying in the #big12, as per my sources".

It will then become a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[cyfanatic]

If the administration were to think the SEC would ever be a good fit for ISU, than there is something on the table that I am completely overlooking.

I agree...but we aren't Missouri. I am not supporting their position...but if that is what they think is best for them who are we to stop them? We would be doing the same thing if we had other options on the table...looking out for our own best interests.

 

[chuckd4735]

I agree...but we aren't Missouri. I am not supporting their position...but if that is what they think is best for them who are we to stop them? We would be doing the same thing if we had other options on the table...looking out for our own best interests.

The inclination is that Mizzou's recent success has them on cloud 9, and they believe they can consistently compete with the best of the best, and be a player in the SEC. Obviously that will be determined on the football field, but I dont see a single thing that leads me to believe that they can.

 

[Im4State]

The inclination is that Mizzou's recent success has them on cloud 9, and they believe they can consistently compete with the best of the best, and be a player in the SEC. Obviously that will be determined on the football field, but I dont see a single thing that leads me to believe that they can.

exactly... their pipeline to Texas goes away in SEC.

 

[cykadelic2]

Since when has texas acted as a true conference partner?

They partnered up with Aggy, NU and OU since Day 1 of the B12. All four have equal shared blame for the current state of the conference. But it's unfortunate that Aggy and NU didn't utilize their leverage and some patience like Mizzou and OU have done in recent weeks to formulate some change for stabilization.

 

[Mizzoulander]

I couldn't care less what UT shows on their network. We aren't competing with them for recruits any how. Simply put, it doesn't affect ISU or most of the schools in the Big 12 save maybe OU and A&M. A&M left, and OU is getting their own network and will be able to go tit for tat with UT.

You SHOULD care. Because the next Cyclone football resurgence is going to be led on the field by guys that "flew under the radar" of big programs like Texas. Guys like Chase Daniel, Todd (ugh) Reesing, or Graham Harrell. Maybe Texas didn't want them. Maybe they just didn't get to see enough of them in game action to really see what they can do. (there are a lot of players in Texas)

With the LHN, they can now. Texas will have loads of game film not available to other teams. They'll be able to track a recruits progress in all of the big games. As if they don't have enough recruiting advantages.

You may not think you compete with them, but there are several recent ISU players who could haved started for Texas (Ace Bowen, Leonard Johnson, Reggie Stephens, etc.) If they notice them, they'll recruit them.

 

[weR138]

I suppose you blame battered spouses, too.

Seriously, that's nonsense. You expect TTU, Baylor, and TAMU to stick around in a conference that DOESN'T include UT? We can debate who's to blame for conference until the cows (longhorns?) come home. The fact is EVERY school is to blame, because the administrators failed to make the necessary agreements early on to take advantage of all the natural benefits the Big 12 could have provided. UT should have been more collaborative. The old Big 8 should have been more unified during the merger. We've never had strong conference leadership.

At the time, the Big 8 needed Texas, and the TX 4 needed the Big 8. That's no longer true. As more and more power shifted to the south, only single schools (NU, MU, etc.) stood up to protest, and only when it threatened their own narrow interests. That's everybody's fault.

As somebody said earlier, Missouri only has leverage right now because it has another option. Last year it didn't, and it was forced to agree to the UT/OU conditions. If ISU had the option, the fan base would be LIVID if they refused to pursue it in the name of "conference unity."

What is nonsensical about the expectation that UT could've been coerced by the other eleven members in June '10. There never had to be an actual threat that UT would leave. NU used it as cover so that Tom Osborne could suck Jim Delaney's ****, get in to the B1G and blame it all on UT. As I said there is no logical argument that UT is more to blame for the demise of the Big XII than the teams who left or intend to leave.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

You SHOULD care. Because the next Cyclone football resurgence is going to be led on the field by guys that "flew under the radar" of big programs like Texas. Guys like Chase Daniel, Todd (ugh) Reesing, or Graham Harrell. Maybe Texas didn't want them. Maybe they just didn't get to see enough of them in game action to really see what they can do. (there are a lot of players in Texas)

With the LHN, they can now. Texas will have loads of game film not available to other teams. They'll be able to track a recruits progress in all of the big games. As if they don't have enough recruiting advantages.

You may not think you compete with them, but there are several recent ISU players who could haved started for Texas (Ace Bowen, Leonard Johnson, Reggie Stephens, etc.) If they notice them, they'll recruit them.

You do realize that Texas can only sign so many recruits right? Oh, and they'll still take the best of the best first.

"Fly under the radar" or "sorry we're out of scholarships" will still result in other teams getting to pick those players up.

 

[weR138]

You SHOULD care. Because the next Cyclone football resurgence is going to be led on the field by guys that "flew under the radar" of big programs like Texas. Guys like Chase Daniel, Todd (ugh) Reesing, or Graham Harrell. Maybe Texas didn't want them. Maybe they just didn't get to see enough of them in game action to really see what they can do. (there are a lot of players in Texas)

With the LHN, they can now. Texas will have loads of game film not available to other teams. They'll be able to track a recruits progress in all of the big games. As if they don't have enough recruiting advantages.

You may not think you compete with them, but there are several recent ISU players who could haved started for Texas (Ace Bowen, Leonard Johnson, Reggie Stephens, etc.) If they notice them, they'll recruit them.

Have you seen UT's roster? They get the cream of Texas recruits every year, why would they look past the studs to find Alvin Bowen? They don't and they won't. I agree that HS games on LHN is unacceptable but you're failing to convince me that somehow UT will quit passing over tons of talent. It will always, ALWAYS be incumbent upon ISU coaching staffs to be better talent evaluators and developers than the big boys.

 

[Doc]

I totally favor 12 teams, I just think UT and OU want 10 and they get what they want. If 2 teams, I would want BYU and Louisville, if 12, I would want Boise St and TCU. This would split it this way:
Div1:
ISU
KSU
Boise
KU
BYU
TCU (To keep UT happy)

Div2:
UT
OU
OSU
BU
TTech
Louie

I think that conference would be very cool. And put serious stipulations to Boise on their use of partial qualifiers and stupid blue field.

And then we could rename it the Bitter 12.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Have you seen UT's roster? They get the cream of Texas recruits every year, why would they look past the studs to find Alvin Bowen? They don't and they won't. I agree that HS games on LHN is unacceptable but you're failing to convince me that somehow UT will quit passing over tons of talent. It will always, ALWAYS be incumbent upon ISU coaching staffs to be better talent evaluators and developers than the big boys.

Didn't you hear? They now get to carry 400 players on their football roster all because they have the LHN. Darn recruiting advantages..ramble ramble... :twitcy:

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

You SHOULD care. Because the next Cyclone football resurgence is going to be led on the field by guys that "flew under the radar" of big programs like Texas. Guys like Chase Daniel, Todd (ugh) Reesing, or Graham Harrell. Maybe Texas didn't want them. Maybe they just didn't get to see enough of them in game action to really see what they can do. (there are a lot of players in Texas)

With the LHN, they can now. Texas will have loads of game film not available to other teams. They'll be able to track a recruits progress in all of the big games. As if they don't have enough recruiting advantages.

You may not think you compete with them, but there are several recent ISU players who could haved started for Texas (Ace Bowen, Leonard Johnson, Reggie Stephens, etc.) If they notice them, they'll recruit them.

I completely agree with this. We may not compete with Texas today, but who is to say we won't ever? Dont think for a second Texas doesnt use this damn network as a recruiting tool. This should not even be an issue, Texas has destroyed everything that was right in the Big 6/8/12. I am still ****** at Mizzou for walking out on their friends and neighbors though.

 

[HFCS]

They partnered up with Aggy, NU and OU since Day 1 of the B12. All four have equal shared blame for the current state of the conference. But it's unfortunate that Aggy and NU didn't utilize their leverage and some patience like Mizzou and OU have done in recent weeks to formulate some change for stabilization.

It's because Nebraska, A&M, and OU are ego maniac programs who always dreamed it would be them with the most money. Their delusions had no basis in reality of course.

It's like all the middle class and poor people who fight like hell against raising taxes on the super wealthy by a single dime. They foolishly expect it's only a matter of time until they are rich. In reality 99% of them have no chance of attaining that wealth no matter how hard they work.

$300 million for the LHN was the realization of these 3 wannabe-fantasy-billionaires that they'll never have that kind of draw. They gave up on the idea of being the top dog through a capitalism-like system, did a complete philisophical 180 and fully embraced abundant money through socialism...but in a new country.

 

[Judoka]

Didn't you hear? They now get to carry 400 players on their football roster all because they have the LHN. Darn recruiting advantages..ramble ramble... :twitcy:

LHN showing high school games isn't huge to Iowa State because we don't recruit against them anyways. But it is a huge deal to schools like A&M and Oklahoma who do compete with Texas for recruits.

Where the LHN can hurt Iowa State in recruiting is in sports like volleyball and track, since they can promise recruits that they will play on TV all the time. It won't impact us for football at all and probably very little for basketball.

 

[Al_4_State]

You SHOULD care. Because the next Cyclone football resurgence is going to be led on the field by guys that "flew under the radar" of big programs like Texas. Guys like Chase Daniel, Todd (ugh) Reesing, or Graham Harrell. Maybe Texas didn't want them. Maybe they just didn't get to see enough of them in game action to really see what they can do. (there are a lot of players in Texas)

With the LHN, they can now. Texas will have loads of game film not available to other teams. They'll be able to track a recruits progress in all of the big games. As if they don't have enough recruiting advantages.

You may not think you compete with them, but there are several recent ISU players who could haved started for Texas (Ace Bowen, Leonard Johnson, Reggie Stephens, etc.) If they notice them, they'll recruit them.

Texas is only going to sign X amount of players anyways. These guys can't all go to Texas, and they're always going to get their pick of the litter. Always. ISU and even Mizzou will always make their program go off of guys that Texas didn't want.

You are just completely contradicting yourself in the bolded areas. For starters, Texas can't air HS games. They can air highlights, but guess what? That stuff is available to anyone. Absolutely everyone can watch the LHN. It's not like some kind of secret den of highlight videos that other coaches will never see. That's just stupid.

You clearly have lost the ability to look at the LHN in a logical, reasonable manner. Apparently everyone has. Nothing you've said in the above paragraph is based in reality. The more I see people upset about the LHN, the more it drives home my suspicion that the people who are the most upset about the LHN haven't thought it through whatsoever.

 

[ManBearClone]

I totally favor 12 teams, I just think UT and OU want 10 and they get what they want. If 2 teams, I would want BYU and Louisville, if 12, I would want Boise St and TCU. This would split it this way:
Div1:
ISU
KSU
Boise
KU
BYU
TCU (To keep UT happy)

Div2:
UT
OU
OSU
BU
TTech
Louie

I think that conference would be very cool. And put serious stipulations to Boise on their use of partial qualifiers and stupid blue field.

I honestly do not get the Boise love and I like Boise, I have relatives that live in Boise and are huge Boise fans. But what happens when they start to slip in Football playing a tough schedule every week. Then what will you be left with.