Texas Tech 2011 compared 2012

peteypie

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Honest answer: I think Tech's offense is too good, too talented, and too deep to be shut down (<30 points) by anybody in this conference.

I think Tech gets about 510 yards, and 34 points (more if ISU turns the ball over) in this game. If we give up more, then so be it, but I don't think we will.

Honest rebuttal, I think ISU's defense is too good, too talented, and too deep to give up 510 yards and 34 points to TT in this game.

What now. Stalemate?
 

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Honest answer: I think Tech's offense is too good, too talented, and too deep to be shut down (<30 points) by anybody in this conference.

I think Tech gets about 510 yards, and 34 points (more if ISU turns the ball over) in this game. If we give up more, then so be it, but I don't think we will.


Id take that bet.
 
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Well the other number was 192 which was also high; higher than the total in all but one of the games that ISU lost. So yes, I agree, when you average three high numbers you are going to get a high number.

The point he made and you attempted to refute was that ISU's rush game needs to kick it up a notch. You chose to put stats up for games from the start of the conference season on last year and said that ISU's rushing wasn't significantly different in wins and losses from that point on. Those stats support his assertion and not yours.


When you win 3 conference games, and two of those are against the two worst teams, the averages don't mean a whole lot...of course the numbers are going to be skewed to make it look more important than it is. ISU ran for over 200 yards against KSU, and still lost.
 
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Honest rebuttal, I think ISU's defense is too good, too talented, and too deep to give up 510 yards and 34 points to TT in this game.

What now. Stalemate?



Iowa St defense is not this great defense that you guys think it is. ISU gave up 60 yards less/game than Tech did...and Tubs fired our DC.
 

peteypie

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Iowa St defense is not this great defense that you guys think it is. ISU gave up 60 yards less/game than Tech did...and Tubs fired our DC.

Last year, hard to imagine we got better. You look at your stats from last year versus this year against cupcakes and say your d is soooo much better this year, but we can't do the same?

Keep thinking this way, you will be disappointed come Saturday when you don't put up 600 yards and 40 points like you think they will
 

Cyclonestate78

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Since you brought up how ISU ran the ball in conference check this out:

ISU average in 6 conference losses: 154.33 yards per game
ISU average in 3 conference wins: 270.33 yards per game

I would say a difference of 116 yards per game is much better.

And since you said "from first conference game on" with the bowl game that difference goes up to 125 per game.

That being said, I think turnovers were the largest problem.

Well... we did lead the nation in turnovers last season with an astounding 35. What is even more impressive is that ISU was bowl eligible in what could be argued as the best conference in the nation while leading the entire country in turnovers.
 

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Iowa St defense is not this great defense that you guys think it is. ISU gave up 60 yards less/game than Tech did...and Tubs fired our DC.


It held you guys to 191 yards passing, 99 yards rushing, and 7 total points last year. If it's not that great, it means Tech's offense is putrid.
 

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Iowa St defense is not this great defense that you guys think it is. ISU gave up 60 yards less/game than Tech did...and Tubs fired our DC.

Oh god. You're hopeless. Where you do not convince yourself with wins, you convince yourself with stats, where you do not convince yourself with stats, you convince yourself with different players, and where you do not convince yourself with different players, you convince yourself with different coaches.

I'm sure better players and a better coach have improved your team, but the magnitude of that improvement is what I question.
 
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Last year, hard to imagine we got better. You look at your stats from last year versus this year against cupcakes and say your d is soooo much better this year, but we can't do the same?

Keep thinking this way, you will be disappointed come Saturday when you don't put up 600 yards and 40 points like you think they will


Actually, I said 510, and 34 points.
 
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It held you guys to 191 yards passing, 99 yards rushing, and 7 total points last year. If it's not that great, it means Tech's offense is putrid.


Against ISU, and OSU, yes, you'd be right. Those weren't the norms last year, and it had nothing to do with the defense we were facing.

Ask anyone who runs these offenses (OSU fans, WVU fans, OU fans, etc.), and they will tell you the same thing. Theses offense will stop themselves.
 

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Against ISU, and OSU, yes, you'd be right. Those weren't the norms last year, and it had nothing to do with the defense we were facing.

Ask anyone who runs these offenses (OSU fans, WVU fans, OU fans, etc.), and they will tell you the same thing. Theses offense will stop themselves.


Lol ok buddy.
 

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Pretty fair assessment, I think. Now, my observations.

1) I wouldn't look past Northwestern St. I'm not going to say they are world beaters, by any means, but they did get almost 600 yards (585 to be exact) @ Nevada. Nevada ended up winning, but it was closer than some would think. So, either Nevada is really bad, or NWS is fairly decent. I guess we really won't know until a little later on.


You lost all credibility right there. I refuse to read on.
 

Cyclonestate78

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Iowa St defense is not this great defense that you guys think it is. ISU gave up 60 yards less/game than Tech did...and Tubs fired our DC.

A defenses value isn't based on how many yards they give up.... it's on how many points they give up. Care to guess which defense surrendered more points last season in Big XII games?

Texas Tech allowed an average of 46 points per game last year in Big XII play. On the other hand... Iowa State allowed an average of 30.56 points per game last year in Big XII play.

You can also factor in that ISU committed 22 turnovers in 9 Big XII games last year. They gave high powered offenses 22 extra possessions last season and still only allowed 30.56 points per game. The more you look at the numbers the job the ISU defense did last season was pretty solid.
 

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A defenses value isn't based on how many yards they give up.... it's on how many points they give up. Care to guess which defense surrendered more points last season in Big XII games?

Texas Tech allowed an average of 46 points per game last year in Big XII play. On the other hand... Iowa State allowed an average of 30.56 points per game last year in Big XII play.

You can also factor in that ISU committed 22 turnovers in 9 Big XII games last year. They gave high powered offenses 22 extra possessions last season and still only allowed 30.56 points per game. The more you look at the numbers the job the ISU defense did last season was pretty solid.

Facts have no place in this argument.
 

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Hahaha....kind of like some people here claim Iowa is any good at all?

But did you now that Iowa has a new DC? And like a bunch of 4 star recruits? You just completely ignore any rational thought that might make Tech look a tad worse in your mind.
 

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Oh... and care to guess which defense held Oklahoma State to the fewest points in regulation that they scored all season? Yeah... that would be Iowa State. They gave up 24 points and if you want to know the whole story it was only 17 points as the Cowboys scored on a pick 6. The ISU D allowed 17 offensive points to a team that score 633 points on the season. That is 48.7 points per game. ISU held them 31.7 points below their average. (24.7 if you want to count their pick 6 against our defense).
 

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