Texas Tech 10 Million Dollar Portal Season

[Al_4_State]

Nope. As others have pointed out the SEC already has Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma to capture Longhorn state viewers.

I would bet that Tech is probably among a list of Big12 schools that the SEC would have zero interest because the school doesn't bring a new territory to the SEC footprint or is the "little brother" program in the state. Other Big12 schools would be K-State, Okie State, UCF, Baylor, TCU. TV eyes is more important than winning Ntnl titles.

IMO the schools the SEC are probably most interested in due to bringing a new populous territory are: KU, CU, Utah and ASU. Heck I feel Iowa State has a better chance getting into the SEC than TT because ISU would stretch the SEC into the upper Midwest and compliment schools like Mizzou, OU & KU.

I kinda doubt the SEC is interested in any of them. KU brings them nothing because Mizzou already delivers KC and Kansan hate viewing. CU and ASU are new markets, but very prone to shifting their focus to pro sports. Utah just isn't that big.

IMO no current Big 12 school is getting an SEC or Big 10 invite. They've had umpteen chances to add, and passed every time. They're waiting on the cream of the ACC.

 

[cykadelic2]

Where does We Will Collective fit into this?

Don't know for sure but I think one of the following will happen:

1) WWC remains as-is and will continue to raise money and instead of engaging in direct deals with athletes, they will transfer their funds to the AD RevShare pool on a monthly or quarterly basis. They could also continue to connect athletes to firms interested in engaging in "True NIL" deals with those athletes.

2) WWC gets completely folded into the ISU AD (or Learfield) and ceases to operate independently as-is. Existing WWC personnel will administer ISU AD RevShare as ISU AD or Learfield employees.

 

[CloneIce]

Provo has a 260 billion dollar endowment for the church and a billionaire professional sports team owner. Easily top 5 resources in the NCAA, if they wanted to win a championship.

And they used it to land the top basketball recruit this year.

 

[cykadelic2]

And they used it to land the top basketball recruit this year.

Dybansta reportedly has a $7M deal. $4M of that is coming from Nike. Red Bull is also engaged with him. What is coming from the BYU collective/boosters (not from their endowment) likely doesn't exceed $2M and that could be front loaded to be paid by June 1st in advance of House.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

"Deals affiliated with a booster, booster group or any entity deemed to be associated with the school are the only ones subject to the clearinghouse’s more rigorous fair market value standard."

This obviously won't stop all under the table unregistered BS but the framework is being put in place to enforce and mitigate obvious pay for play deals from boosters.

Monumental shift: Power conferences, not NCAA, to control policing athlete compensation

A committee of power conference administrators took significant steps this week toward the creation of a new entity that will govern the evolving professionalized aspects of college sports.

sports.yahoo.com

You can't regulate fair market value. Fair market value is by its very definition what someone is willing to pay.

This is the NCAA trying to act tough. It'll be thrown out by the courts in two seconds just like everything else they've tried.

 

[legi]

"Deals affiliated with a booster, booster group or any entity deemed to be associated with the school are the only ones subject to the clearinghouse’s more rigorous fair market value standard."

This obviously won't stop all under the table unregistered BS but the framework is being put in place to enforce and mitigate obvious pay for play deals from boosters.

Monumental shift: Power conferences, not NCAA, to control policing athlete compensation

A committee of power conference administrators took significant steps this week toward the creation of a new entity that will govern the evolving professionalized aspects of college sports.

sports.yahoo.com

That all looks nice on paper and would be great cause you would have more of a true, equal salary cap.

But I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

[JRE1975]

I still wonder how paying $10+ million to 17 new guys ad a few million to the 65 other guys who have invested their time in a program is going establish a winning culture.

 

[cyfan92]

Dybansta reportedly has a $7M deal. $4M of that is coming from Nike. Red Bull is also engaged with him. What is coming from the BYU collective/boosters (not from their endowment) likely doesn't exceed $2M and that could be front loaded to be paid by June 1st in advance of House.

But what did they pay him to prep in Utah for his senior season?

 

[cykadelic2]

You can't regulate fair market value. Fair market value is by its very definition what someone is willing to pay.

This is the NCAA trying to act tough. It'll be thrown out by the courts in two seconds just like everything else they've tried.

If you actually read the article I linked, this isn't the NCAA trying to act tough:

"During a two-day summit in the nation’s capital, a “transition team,” charged with operationalizing concepts of the House settlement, inched closer to establishing a new structure to oversee, manage and enforce the settlement-related athlete compensation system for all of NCAA Division I. The newly created LLC, overseen by a CEO or executive director, is centered on a new enforcement arm to police violators of the industry’s new salary cap and is expected to feature revenue-sharing policies and a corresponding penalty structure for violators."

A FMV standard can be readily applied and used to distinguish a "true NIL" deal vs a blatant Pay for Play deal.

For example, oil billionaire and TT booster Cody Campbell pays $2M to UCF DT Lee Hunter after June 1st. That clearly isn't a FMV deal for Hunter to endorse Campbell's oil empire. It is clearly Pay for Play to satisfy Campbell's TT jollies. Deals like that will be shot down under the House Settlement so Campbell will have to resort to under the table BS if he truly wants to directly pay Hunter that amount and risk the penalties in doing so at the expense of Hunter's eligibility and TT being penalized.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

"Deals affiliated with a booster, booster group or any entity deemed to be associated with the school are the only ones subject to the clearinghouse’s more rigorous fair market value standard."

This obviously won't stop all under the table unregistered BS but the framework is being put in place to enforce and mitigate obvious pay for play deals from boosters.

Monumental shift: Power conferences, not NCAA, to control policing athlete compensation

A committee of power conference administrators took significant steps this week toward the creation of a new entity that will govern the evolving professionalized aspects of college sports.

sports.yahoo.com

LOL it's cute you think there are actually rules.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Right. The House settlement is being pushed by bluebloods who dont want the Texas Techs, BYU's, or SMU's stealing their blue-chip players bc they have wealthier donors. The Beverly Hillbillies of Lubbock.

But, i dont think NIL deals can be stopped. Pay for play can be, but arch manning's 6 million in NIL is likely market value. he's famous. I just think collectives will actually have to start making commercials with the high-end guys they are paying.

the wild, wild west of NIL really hurts the blue bloods, so I like it.

I dont know how much NIL money WVU has. No one will say. They did say they outbid kansas for javon Small. That likely wasnt cheap. WVU also outbid Ole Miss for the AAC defensive player of the year, a 6=4 250 de who is fast enough to play outside backer too.
He had 10.5 sacks, 17 tfl, and over an 80 PFF grade against the run and pass rushing.
WVU also landed the best returning cover corner in the country. he was 3rd. the 2 ahead of him are headed to the NFL.

so, TT spent 10 million. other big 12 schools may have spent north of 5 as well.

The wealthiest of the elites benefit, but pay-to-play in general doesn’t benefit the schools that had supremacy in large part due to location, history/brand, illicit payments, and coaching. Those are still moats, but ones that NIL money can breach.

Although a high player salary cap that must come from school revenues leverages the revenue advantages of the biggest brands/programs, it would need to be a very high cap to prevent players not getting PT at top programs from transferring. Sitting on the bench now comes at a cost to players

 

[cykadelic2]

LOL it's cute you think there are actually rules.

It's cute some of you still have your head in the sand regarding the June 1st changes that are coming.

 

[ClubCy]

I still wonder how paying $10+ million to 17 new guys ad a few million to the 65 other guys who have invested their time in a program is going establish a winning culture.

You have to start with the Jimmy’s and Joe’s. Figure the rest out as you go.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

It's cute some of you still have your head in the sand regarding the June 1st changes that are coming.

Go on.

 

[ClubCy]

Go on.

Please don’t encourage them.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

If you actually read the article I linked, this isn't the NCAA trying to act tough:

"During a two-day summit in the nation’s capital, a “transition team,” charged with operationalizing concepts of the House settlement, inched closer to establishing a new structure to oversee, manage and enforce the settlement-related athlete compensation system for all of NCAA Division I. The newly created LLC, overseen by a CEO or executive director, is centered on a new enforcement arm to police violators of the industry’s new salary cap and is expected to feature revenue-sharing policies and a corresponding penalty structure for violators."

A FMV standard can be readily applied and used to distinguish a "true NIL" deal vs a blatant Pay for Play deal.

For example, oil billionaire and TT booster Cody Campbell pays $2M to UCF DT Lee Hunter after June 1st. That clearly isn't a FMV deal for Hunter to endorse Campbell's oil empire. It is clearly Pay for Play to satisfy Campbell's TT jollies. Deals like that will be shot down under the House Settlement so Campbell will have to resort to under the table BS if he truly wants to directly pay Hunter that amount and risk the penalties in doing so at the expense of Hunter's eligibility and TT being penalized.

I read the article.

That all sounds awesome on paper but with no collective bargaining, it's going to get struck down immediately. You can't limit someone's earnings. That's exactly why we've gotten the JUCO rulings and now the D2/3 injunction.

If someone wants to pay me $50M to play tiddlywinks and there isn't a collectively bargained agreement saying that they can't pay me $50M to play tiddlywinks, the market has spoken that my tiddlywinks ability is worth $50M and you can't deprive me of the opportunity to make that $50M because I, or the union representing me, hasn't agreed to a cap on what I can be paid.

Regardless of the House settlement or anything that happens, we still have years of litigation coming. This doesn't end anything.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I kinda doubt the SEC is interested in any of them. KU brings them nothing because Mizzou already delivers KC and Kansan hate viewing. CU and ASU are new markets, but very prone to shifting their focus to pro sports. Utah just isn't that big.

IMO no current Big 12 school is getting an SEC or Big 10 invite. They've had umpteen chances to add, and passed every time. They're waiting on the cream of the ACC.

I’ll take that bet.

Besides the fact there are Big 12 schools that add major markets, adding markets is antiquated without conference network carriage being prominent part of revenue. Imo it is generally now just a proxy for ratings and subscribers.

A lot of changes are possible as we near 2032. The alignment of both postseason deals (along with our HC contracts) is ominous imo

When things blow up, it seems like odds are decent it means the top level needing to be a big tent politically. That would pull in at least one current Big 12 school. Maybe a lot.

 

[Marcelason78]

Where does We Will Collective fit into this?

You’ll never see WW numbers or how we compare to other collectives on this board. The lack of transparency with NIL as a whole makes me wonder how real the other collectives numbers really are.

 

[cykadelic2]

I read the article.

That all sounds awesome on paper but with no collective bargaining, it's going to get struck down immediately. You can't limit someone's earnings. That's exactly why we've gotten the JUCO rulings and now the D2/3 injunction.

If someone wants to pay me $50M to play tiddlywinks and there isn't a collectively bargained agreement saying that they can't pay me $50M to play tiddlywinks, the market has spoken that my tiddlywinks ability is worth $50M and you can't deprive me of the opportunity to make that $50M because I, or the union representing me, hasn't agreed to a cap on what I can be paid.

Regardless of the House settlement or anything that happens, we still have years of litigation coming. This doesn't end anything.

The JUCO/D2/D3 rulings focused on access to NIL, not pay for play.

The House Settlement is supposedly going to be signed off by the presiding Judge in April so entities party to that Settlement (NCAA Schools, athletes and their legal reps) are good to go with it including the true NIL FMV provisions. Oil and other big money boosters weren't party to the Settlement and I am sure they will sue over the Settlement's FMV provisions. And any Judge presiding over those lawsuits should tell them to go eff themselves and start your own pro league separate from Universities.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

The JUCO/D2/D3 rulings focused on access to NIL, not pay for play.

The House Settlement is supposedly going to be signed off by the presiding Judge in April so entities party to that Settlement (NCAA Schools, athletes and their legal reps) are good to go with it including the true NIL FMV provisions. Oil and other big money boosters weren't party to the Settlement and I am sure they will sue over the Settlement's FMV provisions. And any Judge presiding over those lawsuits should tell them to go eff themselves and start your own pro league separate from Universities.

LMAO at anyone thinking that any of this is getting put back in the box. Limiting or eliminating NIL would never make it through the courts. This is the new norm. Either embrace it, deal with it, or maybe find a new form of entertainment. The NCAA had their chance to set up a pay structure for players but a bunch of old stubborn white men were too greedy so here we are.