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capitalcityguy

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Consequences?? You could invest and lose, you know.

The question as to why you’d one vs the other is the exact reason I say “personal preference”. For some, it could actually save them money because they don’t spend it during the year. Some could make a little. Some don’t care if they make money off of it. I could make more money if I wanted to by working more during the year, too. I choose not to. It’s a preference.

If you think your initial response helped clarify the issue for the OP, then more power to ya. Again, the OP never suggested it wasn't a personal choice. They were trying to understand why one might choose one vs the other.
 
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Cyclone.TV

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If you think your initial response helped clarify the issue for the OP, then more power to ya. Again, the OP never suggested it wasn't a personal choice. They were trying to understand why one might choose one vs the other.

Like I said, that’s what makes it personal preference. There is no correct answer. If you think there is, you don’t understand how different people are. For some it’s and easy spot to invest it. For some, it’s an easy spot to not spend it throughout the year. It’s a personal preference based on each individual - which is why I answered it that way. What’s right for you isn’t always the same for the next person.
 

CNECloneFan

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Don't be dense. Nowhere did I say a 62% return is normal. Take the average 9% return on investments and you're still cash ahead.
It still comes down to how much time and effort you want to put into getting that amount of "cash ahead."
 

Trice

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Again, thanks for putting words in my mouth and using your telepathic powers to communicate what I was implying. You're a big help.

You've keep repeating yourself and haven't yet managed to refute anything I've said. "Help" isn't exaggerating one's performance in order to impress people, it's giving honest answers to people who need them.
 
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BikeSkiClone

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TurboTax's running calculator had me owing a whopping $8.00 until I input my student loan interest amount and now I'll be getting a refund of $300. Both figures are closer to "$0.00" than I've ever been.
 

83Clone

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Uhh no. I've invested at a 62% return the past year. I had a refund around $2,450 in taxes last year. I take that $2,450 and turn around and invest that I come out ahead at $3,969.

NSIS because sarcasm doesn't translate well on social media, but if so, you could have invested $1200/month starting in January and had even more at the end of the year
 

Mtowncyclone13

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Time value of money says a dollar today is worth more than a dollar next spring. Refunds are not "bonus income" checks that the financially illiterate claim them to be. The IRS withheld more of YOUR money at a 0% interest rate.

However, there are sooo many people in this country that can't save a couple hundred dollars for a rainy day fund. So I get why a refund amount makes them upset. It's easier to complain about the IRS then to look into the mirror and tell yourself you need help with your money habits

This is pretty absolutist. You all know I'm obsessed with talking about money, financial planning, and investing. And I still like getting my money back every spring. Are you saying I'm financially illiterate?
 

Cyched

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There's definitely something to the psychology of getting a windfall once a year.

Worked with a guy who always bragged about getting a refund, but that was what he wanted. He would always use it to do a spring project on his house.

I save or invest whatever's left over each month, so personally I'm fine not getting a huge refund, but I can see the appeal for some.
 

Trice

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There's the mathematically correct answer, and there's the behavioral economics answer.

It's obviously mathematically true that you can earn more by holding on to your money during the year and investing it, then paying taxes at the end of the year. This is the most efficient use of your money - though it also has to be said that the only way to guarantee this happens is to invest conservatively, because nobody can predict the market.

It's also true that behaviorally a lot of people can not or will not invest any extra money they get, or lack the skills or interest to manage it. Or, as others have said, they just like the feeling of getting a return. That is mathematically inefficient, but is probably better for them in the long run because the alternative is even worse.

Dave Ramsey has made a mint on this distinction.
 
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Cycloneman24

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Wow I didn’t think this would receive this many responses. Thank you to all for the information. I got the information I was looking for.
 

Mtowncyclone13

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I"ll say it again. A dollar paid to you today is worth more then one paid to you at a later date.

Then, if getting a refund is "letting the govt borrow your money interest free", everyone should attempt to pay as large of a tax bill they can each year so the govt is essentially loaning you money interest free. That is the "prudent" thing to do.
 

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