Tale of the ZFB Tape - 2006 vs 2007

[Wesley]

Stevie Hicks (4.9 ave) and Bret (400 more yards with fewer passes) did not do bad in 2006. Alexander averaged 3.9 ypr and Bret passed 2115 yards with 1 more interception.

2006
RUSHING . GP . Att. Gain Loss . Net . Avg . TD Long. Avg/G

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Hicks,Stevie . 8 . 107 . 547 . 24 . 523 . 4.9 . 2 . 58 . 65.4

2006
PASSING . . GP . Effic .Cmp-Att-Int. Pct . Yds. TD Lng. Avg/G
---------------------------------------------------------------
Meyer,Bret . 12 . 117.77. 211-374-12 . 56.4. 2546. 12 . 44. 212.2


2007
RUSHING . GP-GS . Att. Gain. Loss. Net. Avg. TD Long. Avg/G

--------------------------------------------------------------
Robinson,Alexan. 11-4 . 118. 509. 44. 465. 3.9 . 6 . 37 . 42.3

Bass,J.J. . 9-3. 123. 488. 26. 462. 3.8 . 4 . 22 . 51.3

Scales,Jason . 7-4 . 99. 361. 28 . 333 . 3.4. 3 . 24. 47.6

Meyer,Bret . 12-12 . 95 . 404 . 112 . 292 . 3.1 . 3 . 19 . 24.3

2007
PASSING .. GP-GS. Effic. Cmp-Att-Int . Pct . Yds .TD Lng. Avg/G
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Meyer,Bret . 12-12 . 109.26. 233-382-13 . 61.0. 2151. 9. 55. 179.2

 

[tigershoops31]

Stevie Hicks (4.9 ave) and Bret (400 more yards with fewer passes) did not do bad in 2006. Alexander averaged 3.9 ypr and Bret passed 2115 yards with 1 more interception.

2006
RUSHING . GP . Att. Gain Loss . Net . Avg . TD Long. Avg/G

-----------------------------------------------------------

Hicks,Stevie . 8 . 107 . 547 . 24 . 523 . 4.9 . 2 . 58 . 65.4

2006
PASSING . . GP . Effic .Cmp-Att-Int. Pct . Yds. TD Lng. Avg/G
---------------------------------------------------------------
Meyer,Bret . 12 . 117.77. 211-374-12 . 56.4. 2546. 12 . 44. 212.2


2007
RUSHING . GP-GS . Att. Gain. Loss. Net. Avg. TD Long. Avg/G

--------------------------------------------------------------
Robinson,Alexan. 11-4 . 118. 509. 44. 465. 3.9 . 6 . 37 . 42.3

Bass,J.J. . 9-3. 123. 488. 26. 462. 3.8 . 4 . 22 . 51.3

Scales,Jason . 7-4 . 99. 361. 28 . 333 . 3.4. 3 . 24. 47.6

Meyer,Bret . 12-12 . 95 . 404 . 112 . 292 . 3.1 . 3 . 19 . 24.3

2007
PASSING .. GP-GS. Effic. Cmp-Att-Int . Pct . Yds .TD Lng. Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
Meyer,Bret . 12-12 . 109.26. 233-382-13 . 61.0. 2151. 9. 55. 179.2

There are days that I would pay a dollar just to know what exactly is going on in your noggin when you fire off some of these posts

 

[CyCloned]

I hate to argue with all those stats, but I really can't believe Stevie averaged almost 5 yards a carry. I don't remember him ever ripping off a single big run last year, but I do remember him getting stuffed in the backfield several times. I don't recall a lot of 5 yard gains either. Did he have a couple of big games against someone?

 

[Drive4cy]

When Stevie was healthy he was pretty good. The only problem is he was only healthy about 60% of the time during his career.

 

[83Clone]

Stevie Hicks (4.9 ave) and Bret (400 more yards with fewer passes) did not do bad in 2006. Alexander averaged 3.9 ypr and Bret passed 2115 yards with 1 more interception.

2006
RUSHING . GP . Att. Gain Loss . Net . Avg . TD Long. Avg/G

-----------------------------------------------------------

Hicks,Stevie . 8 . 107 . 547 . 24 . 523 . 4.9 . 2 . 58 . 65.4

2006
PASSING . . GP . Effic .Cmp-Att-Int. Pct . Yds. TD Lng. Avg/G
---------------------------------------------------------------
Meyer,Bret . 12 . 117.77. 211-374-12 . 56.4. 2546. 12 . 44. 212.2


2007
RUSHING . GP-GS . Att. Gain. Loss. Net. Avg. TD Long. Avg/G

--------------------------------------------------------------
Robinson,Alexan. 11-4 . 118. 509. 44. 465. 3.9 . 6 . 37 . 42.3

Bass,J.J. . 9-3. 123. 488. 26. 462. 3.8 . 4 . 22 . 51.3

Scales,Jason . 7-4 . 99. 361. 28 . 333 . 3.4. 3 . 24. 47.6

Meyer,Bret . 12-12 . 95 . 404 . 112 . 292 . 3.1 . 3 . 19 . 24.3

2007
PASSING .. GP-GS. Effic. Cmp-Att-Int . Pct . Yds .TD Lng. Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
Meyer,Bret . 12-12 . 109.26. 233-382-13 . 61.0. 2151. 9. 55. 179.2

What is your point?

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

I hate to argue with all those stats, but I really can't believe Stevie averaged almost 5 yards a carry. I don't remember him ever ripping off a single big run last year, but I do remember him getting stuffed in the backfield several times. I don't recall a lot of 5 yard gains either. Did he have a couple of big games against someone?

To further that, i definately cannot remember a 58 yard run....who and when was that???? Oh Spring Practice game......gotcha......if your indicating with those stats that Stevie and Arob have comparable stats and thus similar players - wow Wesley your killin me....i mean when Stevie broke into the open, i would see DT catching him.....AROB was gone....thats the difference.....everything else....well you can manipulate numbers in so many ways.....i don't care what happened in 2006 or 2007 i'm looking at what we need in 2008!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ajk4st8]

"To further that, i definately cannot remember a 58 yard run"

Stevie had one against Texas I believe right before half. It was for sure Texas or OU.

 

[mpc4isu7]

To further that, i definately cannot remember a 58 yard run....who and when was that???? Oh Spring Practice game......gotcha......if your indicating with those stats that Stevie and Arob have comparable stats and thus similar players - wow Wesley your killin me....i mean when Stevie broke into the open, i would see DT catching him.....AROB was gone....thats the difference.....everything else....well you can manipulate numbers in so many ways.....i don't care what happened in 2006 or 2007 i'm looking at what we need in 2008!!!!!!!!!!

he had a huge run as the last play of the 1st half against Texas...he ended up getting tackled inside the 10 to end the half

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

he had a huge run as the last play of the 1st half against Texas...he ended up getting tackled inside the 10 to end the half

Gotcha, 58 yard draw play when Texas was in prevent and he padded the stats.....probably had 4 wideouts running fly patterns so the lb and cb were running with wr???

Sorry its not sticking out in my mind......but then again, not many of Stevie's runs did....nothing against him personally, just thought he never had the speed to be a big12 rb...thats all....

And if we want to really look at stats...against Texas with a 58 yard run in there he had 5.6 yard avg, very good. But, take the 58 yard run out, he had 10 carries for 4 yards...now tell me the stats are not misleading.....In reviewing each of Hicks games, it came down to him getting 14 carries and about 68 yards or something like that....which equates to about 4.9 yards per carry....but, if this was in mop up sessions against several of the teams in the middle of our season last year, that speaks volumes about how statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you wanted....Arob didnt have the cream puff early season to get numbers jacked up and our games down the stretch were close games so defenses were playing honest defense....

Not being a bandwagon, but i would take AROB or JJ over Stevie any day of the week...I just like the explosive plays that i think Both bring to our offense, i never felt any time that Stevie ever got the ball that i felt that feeling that this could be a special play.....I really like our RB situation going into next year, if we could get our WR as explosive as our RB our offense would be difficult to stop!!!!

 

[SuperCy]

I think Stevie could be a legit contender on "Dancing with the Stars." The dancing part, not so much the star part.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Stevie Hicks (4.9 ave) and Bret (400 more yards with fewer passes) did not do bad in 2006. Alexander averaged 3.9 ypr and Bret passed 2115 yards with 1 more interception.

2006
RUSHING . GP . Att. Gain Loss . Net . Avg . TD Long. Avg/G

-----------------------------------------------------------

Hicks,Stevie . 8 . 107 . 547 . 24 . 523 . 4.9 . 2 . 58 . 65.4

2006
PASSING . . GP . Effic .Cmp-Att-Int. Pct . Yds. TD Lng. Avg/G
---------------------------------------------------------------
Meyer,Bret . 12 . 117.77. 211-374-12 . 56.4. 2546. 12 . 44. 212.2


2007
RUSHING . GP-GS . Att. Gain. Loss. Net. Avg. TD Long. Avg/G

--------------------------------------------------------------
Robinson,Alexan. 11-4 . 118. 509. 44. 465. 3.9 . 6 . 37 . 42.3

Bass,J.J. . 9-3. 123. 488. 26. 462. 3.8 . 4 . 22 . 51.3

Scales,Jason . 7-4 . 99. 361. 28 . 333 . 3.4. 3 . 24. 47.6

Meyer,Bret . 12-12 . 95 . 404 . 112 . 292 . 3.1 . 3 . 19 . 24.3

2007
PASSING .. GP-GS. Effic. Cmp-Att-Int . Pct . Yds .TD Lng. Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
Meyer,Bret . 12-12 . 109.26. 233-382-13 . 61.0. 2151. 9. 55. 179.2

How about we compare the last half of the season stats from 07 and 06.

 

[Wesley]

Hmmmm/ Checking for stats on cyclones.com:

RUSHING
Stevie Hicks did have a 4.9 yard average, which is a yard average per rush than any of the three 2007 backs. All our backs in 07 averaged lessthan 4.0 yards a pop. Hmmmm.

PASSING
Bret threw for 405 yards more and one less interception with 8 less passes attempts in 2006 than Bret did in 2007. Hmmmm.

POSSIBLE POINT
Offense performed same under Barney for rushing and passing than this past season. Sorry, guys, just looking at the stats. No negative rep needed. So I delved further and here is what cyclones.com had for stats. It just seemed like we were doing better offensively because we were more organized, but our rotten start against Kent State was too much to overcome with stats from our last four games. When compared to 2006, 2007 final stats on cyclones.com saw more penalties, less punt return yards, lousier fieldgoal attempts %, and more penalties. See below for proof by lookiing at overall stats instead of individuals:

Iowa State - Cumulative Season Statistics

Iowa State - Cumulative Season Statistics

TEAM..................2006.....2007......Cyclones.com Stat Evaluation
RUSHING.YARDS.....1221.....1484...Better in 07 by 263 yards
PASSING..............2593......2439...Worse in 07 by 154 yards
TOTAL OFFENSE....3814......3923...Better in 07 by 109 yards
POINTS FOR..........18.8.......18.2...Worse in 07 by 0.6 points
POINTS AGAINST....30.8.......31.8...Worse in 07 by 1.0 point
TURNOVERS.............20.........25.....Worse in 07 by 5
TOTAL DEFENSE.....4707........4684...Better in 07 by 23 yards
RED ZONE SCORES...78%........78%...Same
FIELDGOAL.............8-11.......10-18..Much Worse in 07
TIME POSSESSION...28:59.....32.50...Better in 07 by 4 minutes
NET PUNT AVE.........35.6........34.7..Worse in 07 by 0.9 yard
PUNT RETURN AVE.....10.6.......3.2....Much worse in 07 by 7.4 yards per kick
PENALTIES...............35.8.......42.4...Much worse in 07 by 6.6 yards per game.

Looks like the same team on both sides of the ball with a very similar schedule and record.

The upside is we should be much better offensively and defensively next year than this year or 2006 if Gene's crew do their jobs. We amy have a real punt returner also.

On paper, we saw no improvement statistically between 06 (During Cotton- DC) and 07 (Post Cotton - PC).

Need to look back to 2005 to see a difference when we had a better defense and we actually won the stat battle.
Iowa State - Cumulative Season Statistics

 

[snowcraig2.0]

And that is why in many instances, 'on paper' is barely worth the paper it's written on.

 

[Wesley]

How about we compare the last half of the season stats from 07 and 06.

I would think a comparsion of Big 12 stats during conference games in last two years could be done with some work. Hope someone taske sthe time. BryceC is usually the best.

 

[DBQ Clone]

An interesting comparison would be to compare the latter halves of each season. Both to see if there's a collapse in 06 and improvement in 07.

It seemed like we improved.

 

[Wesley]

For the record, I was just trying to show that Bret fared slightly worse in 07 than in 06.

Our new three running backs: ARob (3.9 ypr), JasonS (3.8 ypr), and JJ Bass (3.4 ypr), did not perform as well as Stevie (4.9 ypr) who was injured half the season. Let's faace it, all three were below 4.0 yards per rush and we need to help them do better wth an improved oline.

Knowing Bob McFarland wanted to run first and then throw short allowed the defenders to gang up on us. Yes, we won the time of possession, but we had few long strike plays, even compared to 2006.

 

[Wesley]

An interesting comparison would be to compare the latter halves of each season. Both to see if there's a collapse in 06 and improvement in 07.

It seemed like we improved.

Looking at 06 we beat Mizzou by a major rushing performance and in 2007 we were blasted by Kansas. The last four games may be more equal than you think.

TIER ONE
Our best games in priority now appear to be the Oklahoma game, then Iowa, then Missouri, then KState, and then Colorado.

TIER TWO
The best of our worse games in priority was Toledo, Texas Tech, Texas, UNI, Kansas, and Kent State.

This would make an interesting discussion topic - which game was our best or our worst game irregardless of winning or losing.

 

[CyCloned]

I don't think it is fair to compare what Hicks did behind a senior dominated OL and what this years back had to run behind. I will be the first to admit that the 2006 line underperformed greatly, but they all had played together for several year. This years OL was a patched together mess for the first part of the year, and was not great by the end. I expect the RB play will improve a lot next year because of improvements in the OL.

 

[baller1]

hicks had a 59 yard run at the very end of the half against oklahoma last year and i think someone said before without that he'd be at 4.3 ypc so not that much better.

 

[bfross]

he had a huge run as the last play of the 1st half against Texas...he ended up getting tackled inside the 10 to end the half

It was OU, and Walters and Heft said that he was out with time on the clock, but the operator let the time run off the clock. I know this was on the road, but how come even our home clock operator would do this to us (KState game was it?).