Steve Alford to be named HC at UCLA

CyJack13

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I could see this working out for UCLA. Remember Ben Howland had a similar reputation for underperforming in the NCAA's while at Pitt and he had UCLA in 3 final fours in his first five years before he burnt all his recruiting bridges.
 

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Was he really "forced" out at Iowa? I may be remembering events incorrectly, but I thought he left more or less to New Mexico of his own volition. I do remember him being a giant ********* when he left, talking about how New Mexico was much more of a "basketball" school than Iowa.

It was very similar to McDermott leaving. No he wasn't "forced out" but the writing was on the wall.
 

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Reread the posts. In regards to his 3-seed teams getting "upset"- over-performed in the regular season. See Wisconsin this year.

So those year's were a fluke, and you shouldn't hold it against him that his team "really wasn't 3-seed good"?

Is that what you're saying?

They why the hell hire him, since, he's apparently never had a team that wasn't fluke good?
 

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Here's the scary thing for UCLA.

Put Alford's New Mexico and Iowa tenures together, (1999-on), and you get exactly 1 more NCAA tournament than ISU has in the same 14 years. (6 vs. 5).

THAT's what UCLA has signed up for. A few good seasons, sandwiched around a couple Wayne-O McDermotts.

Somehow I doubt that 43% March Situation average will play in LA, unless they're getting into the business of losing first and second round NIT games
 

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I will be shocked if Alford can handle the pressure at UCLA.

I think the real question is whether UCLA can handle situations like this:

[video=youtube;5ktjk9HsnMA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ktjk9HsnMA[/video]
 

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Alford is great in the "big fish in a small pond role".... but when he gets in the big pond....not so good.
 

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To be fair to Alford, his previous stops were at places like Iowa and New Mexico.


The issue when you fire a guy like Howland is that unless you get an Izzo type coach, you are refreshing, not improving, in the coaching department. Sounds like that was needed though.

To be fair, Alford is the type of coach that is lucky to be coaching at places like Iowa and New Mexico.
 

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good hire...
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I wish a big 12 school hired him instead. But lucky for other Pac schools
 

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He over performed at Iowa exactly 1 year. He was nowhere close to "over-performing" at Iowa. In fact, he underperformed at Iowa compared to the 20 year average that he took over.

And as others pointed out, New Mexico, only game in town, state, really. Big arena, poor conference.

Hasn't been out of the NCAA opening weekend since Savage Garden was topping the charts. And only there period a handful of times.

Bad hire.

Alford wasn't the best but was far from the worse. Tom Davis had a 66% overall winning record and a 54% conference record. He did really well in the tourney though.

Alford had a 59% record overall and a 48% conference winning record. If you throw out his first season it is actually pretty comparable to Tom. Problem is that even though he made it to the NCAA three times, he only advanced once.

The other problem was that Iowa fans did have a exceptionally high view on what they should be able to do. Tom's last year he went to the Sweet 16 and yet even with 13 tourney wins in 13 seasons, Iowa didn't renew his contract. Iowa fans thought that the next hire would get them to the Final 4 and it didn't happen. Thanks to Lickliter, Iowa fans can be happy about NIT's and NCAA appearances but Alford was held in a higher standard than current coaching staff. All the other issues were just excuses to be upset.

Alford is a alright coach for a place like New Mexico, but if he can't find a way to win in the tourney he won't make it anywhere for long.
 

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So those year's were a fluke, and you shouldn't hold it against him that his team "really wasn't 3-seed good"?

Is that what you're saying?

They why the hell hire him, since, he's apparently never had a team that wasn't fluke good?
A fluke? That is a big jump you just made.
He got a team with average talent to have an above average season- a win or go home tournament tend to expose such high seeds. He coaches teams to show-up more often than the opponents. However the NCAA tournament is everyone's Super Bowl, that advantage is gone. He is now at a big time program, he will have superior talent.
If you are UCLA and cannot get an Izzo type, I would get someone who's downfall is not having great talent due to coaching at less than desirable programs.
 
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Alford wasn't the best but was far from the worse. Tom Davis had a 66% overall winning record and a 54% conference record. He did really well in the tourney though.

Alford had a 59% record overall and a 48% conference winning record. If you throw out his first season it is actually pretty comparable to Tom. Problem is that even though he made it to the NCAA three times, he only advanced once.

The other problem was that Iowa fans did have a exceptionally high view on what they should be able to do. Tom's last year he went to the Sweet 16 and yet even with 13 tourney wins in 13 seasons, Iowa didn't renew his contract. Iowa fans thought that the next hire would get them to the Final 4 and it didn't happen. Thanks to Lickliter, Iowa fans can be happy about NIT's and NCAA appearances but Alford was held in a higher standard than current coaching staff. All the other issues were just excuses to be upset.

Alford is a alright coach for a place like New Mexico, but if he can't find a way to win in the tourney he won't make it anywhere for long.

Davis was not renewed prior to the Sweet 16 year. It was already a done deal going into that year. There wasn't any un-ringing that bell.

And the comparison speaks for itself. He falls short of Davis in every category, and it still short even after you pick and choose seasons for Alford and not Davis.

Alford has no record to stand on as a "successful, major conference" coach.
 

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A fluke? That is a big jump you just made.
He got a team with average talent to have an above average season- a win or go home tournament tend to expose such high seeds. He coaches teams to show-up more often than the opponents. However the NCAA tournament is everyone's Super Bowl, that advantage is gone. He is now at a big time program, he will have superior talent.

If you are UCLA and cannot get an Izzo type, I would get someone who's downfall is not having great talent due to coaching at less than desirable programs.

I fail to see how "overachieving" in 1 out of 8 seasons as a major conference coach proves this. What about the 5 seasons at Iowa where they failed to "show up" in the NIT, or missed it completely?

And don't try to tell me NW St had superior talent to Iowa. Hell, don't try to tell me Harvard has more talent than New Mexico.

I get the idea to try and make it seem like an "Iowa problem," but I think Steve has pretty much proven what he is.

After 14 years, you sort of are-what-you-are. And for Steve, its a guy who misses the tournament more than the makes it, and woefully underperforms when he gets there.
 

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I fail to see how "overachieving" in 1 out of 8 seasons as a major conference coach proves this. What about the 5 seasons at Iowa where they failed to "show up" in the NIT, or missed it completely?

And don't try to tell me NW St had superior talent to Iowa. Hell, don't try to tell me Harvard has more talent than New Mexico.

I get the idea to try and make it seem like an "Iowa problem," but I think Steve has pretty much proven what he is.

After 14 years, you sort of are-what-you-are. And for Steve, its a guy who misses the tournament more than the makes it, and woefully underperforms when he gets there.

The problem with swathmore is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, is ever the head coach's fault, therefore every coach that has been fired has been done so unjustifyiably so. Coaches never have to be held accountable for anything.
 
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I fail to see how "overachieving" in 1 out of 8 seasons as a major conference coach proves this. What about the 5 seasons at Iowa where they failed to "show up" in the NIT, or missed it completely?

I get the idea to try and make it seem like an "Iowa problem," but I think Steve has pretty much proven what he is.

After 14 years, you sort of are-what-you-are. And for Steve, its a guy who misses the tournament more than the makes it, and woefully underperforms when he gets there.
Again, my response was to the post saying Alford's issue is being upset twice as a 3 seed.
If you are a high-major like UCLA and you see Alford getting 3-seeds and the results he had at places like UNM, Iowa, and Southwest Mo St, and you feel good about what he can do at UCLA. Lobo, hawkeye, and Bear fans may take offense to that viewpoint, but that is the reality of situation.
 

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