Sports Illistrated.com Baylor is top 25 but ISU isn't, explain that.....

[CycloneVet]

I care only about 1 poll, thats the 1 at the end of the year. I prefer to be the hand up the Mona Lisa's dress, the one that you dont see coming. Being ranked is just a bullseye on your back, we dont need that right now, lets get some wins in the B12 and the rest will take care of itself

 

[TXCyclones]

So, if Tulsa is better than Iowa, why did ISU struggle to beat Iowa but destroy Tulsa? Because of Kinnick? That's nice, but Kinnick didn't do much to deter the powerful Central Michigan Chippewas. There's no doubt Iowa is not good this year, but saying Tulsa is the best team ISU has faced this year is not only not saying much, isn't true.

Even if Tulsa was the best team ISU has faced this year (futile argument, and I prolly won't change my mind here and neither will you), that still doesn't mean they are a "damn good" or solid team. That means they play football at the D-I level.

Not sure what your definition of "destroy" is, but we beat EIU pretty well. We've all agreed that were it not for the turnovers inside the 5 (some our fault and some referee's fault) that the score would have been 28-6 roughly.

 

[dburgie]

I'd say it's more abouts teams falling out (Michigan, UCLA, Arizona) than about Baylor justifying anything on the field at this point. If we keep winning, we'll be in too.

I totally agree. We just need to keep winning and the rankings will sort themselves out later. Go Cyclones!

 

[SplitIdentity]

Not sure what your definition of "destroy" is, but we beat EIU pretty well. We've all agreed that were it not for the turnovers inside the 5 (some our fault and some referee's fault) that the score would have been 28-6 roughly.

Yeah, and had Iowa not thrown an interception at the end, they could have won. Had they recovered the onsides kick against CMU, they'd be 4-0. It's easy to play that game, but that's not the point.

I'm just saying, ISU is 3-0, and that's great. Baylor is ranked by SI because they had a great year last year, started the year higher ranked this year, and beat a solid LMU team. ISU finished 6-7 last year and struggled to beat what is now looking like a pretty poor Iowa team, while beating up on an 'ok' Tulsa team and a horrible WIU team.

Beat Tech and KSU, and it will all take care of itsself. Those are the games that matter, and are undoubtedly tough games. Arguing that Tulsa is "damn good" because they beat Fresno by 1 who only lost to Oregon by 3 scores? Silly.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

So, if Tulsa is better than Iowa, why did ISU struggle to beat Iowa but destroy Tulsa? Because of Kinnick? That's nice, but Kinnick didn't do much to deter the powerful Central Michigan Chippewas. There's no doubt Iowa is not good this year, but saying Tulsa is the best team ISU has faced this year is not only not saying much, isn't true.

Even if Tulsa was the best team ISU has faced this year (futile argument, and I prolly won't change my mind here and neither will you), that still doesn't mean they are a "damn good" or solid team. That means they play football at the D-I level.

You really cant read into the Iowa/ISU game because it is such a heated rivalry. Mistakes happen when you feel the pressure to beat your rival. I know when we used to face our rivals growing up, the same mistakes happened that ISU committed again Iowa. If ISU does not turn the ball over 3 times in the red zone there is no debate here. ISU should have thumped Iowa, but couldnt do it due to their own mistakes. But those mistakes, I am sure, have been pounded in the guy's heads the last week and will continue this week. Our mistakes are correctable because we do have talent, Iowa has issues but most of that is due to a lack talent.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Iowa has proven to be one of the most laughable teams of BCS schools... and we barely beat them

Tulsa is a CUSA team.

Agreed. We have done nothing to get ranked. Win 2 more and we might be onto something.

Correct, this is the what will get us ranked, wins that earn it, not the Kool Aid sunglasses perspective on our 3-0.

 

[SplitIdentity]

You really cant read into the Iowa/ISU game because it is such a heated rivalry. Mistakes happen when you feel the pressure to beat your rival. I know when we used to face our rivals growing up, the same mistakes happened that ISU committed again Iowa. If ISU does not turn the ball over 3 times in the red zone there is no debate here. ISU should have thumped Iowa, but couldnt do it due to their own mistakes. But those mistakes, I am sure, have been pounded in the guy's heads the last week and will continue this week. Our mistakes are correctable because we do have talent, Iowa has issues but most of that is due to a lack talent.

Second year this is an excuse. Sorry, turnovers are part of the game, and Iowa had theirs as well. ISU won the total yardage, and was easily better, but I repeat, not saying much. Jantz has been making those same turnovers for a good chunk of time now, so I hope you're right and that they are correctable. But the "should have thumped" excuse is all fine and dandy, but 2nd year in a row that Iowa was in position to win despite "should have been thumped". That was a trend for ISU last year as well, so hopefully that changes come Big12 slate. Because unlike Iowa, teams like KSU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and WVU will capitalize on those.

 

[alarson]

I have no problem with baylor being ranked above us.

At this point however i do have a problem with those who say 'we haven't proven anything, we shouldnt be ranked'. Well neither have a lot of teams, and id say that some we have done more than them. Here's some that haven't proven a lot:

Boise State (AP). Lost to MSU, and looked absolutely horrible against BYU on friday. Tell me why they deserve a ranking.
MSU- Their sole win of note is against a Boise State team that should not be ranked. They lost to Notre Dame and struggled with Eastern Michigan on saturday.
Wisconsin (coaches)- Struggled with UNI, Struggled with UTEP, Struggled with Utah State, and lost to Oregon State. Real solid resume there.
Nebraska... have they done anything more than what we've done? They lost to now unranked UCLA and they have blasted 3 ****** teams. Aside from the loss (which isn't really a resume-adder) we have the same resume.
Oregon State- only 2 games. barely beat wisconsin, barely beat UCLA. Theyve got a stronger resume than the rest but still nothing hugely impressive.

I'm starting to notice a trend here.... a lot of these teams are either big 10 teams or teams that have played big 10 teams so their abilities have been pumped up.

 

[isuno1fan]

ISU has a lot to prove still. A win against Tech will not get us into the Top 25 either. Gonna have to somehow handle Tech and win at TCU to get in there.

Tulsa = Good, solid win

Iowa = Win, but unimpressive against an opponent that is viewed as a very poor team this year nationally

Western Illinois = Got the W, but should have and honestly, we didn't look that great offensively after the first couple TDs. Should have beaten them worse. I think Baylor would have hung 50+ on them with their offense.

We have a competitive FB team, but I am far from convinced it is Top 25 worthy. Let's see what happend against Tech first.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Tulsa was an OK win. They're still C-USA. Looked good doing it, but I repeat, still C-USA.

Hasn't the Big Ten pretty much abdicated their right to speak down to other conferences, especially after the first month of this season? Tulsa's schedule is and will probably end up being more difficult than at least half of the teams in the Big Ten.

 

[HFCS]

Western Illinois must reeeeeeeeally suck because our Sagarin rating dropped from 24 to 32 after beating them.

The elo_chess portion that is used it the BCS has us up to #17 in the nation though (the portion that is purely wins vs how tough your schedule is).

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I have no problem with baylor being ranked above us.

At this point however i do have a problem with those who say 'we haven't proven anything, we shouldnt be ranked'. Well neither have a lot of teams, and id say that some we have done more than them.

Exactly. ISU not ranked, BFD...but stop trying to justify it by spewing a bunch of bs. repeatedly have trouble with this.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Second year this is an excuse. Sorry, turnovers are part of the game, and Iowa had theirs as well. ISU won the total yardage, and was easily better, but I repeat, not saying much. Jantz has been making those same turnovers for a good chunk of time now, so I hope you're right and that they are correctable. But the "should have thumped" excuse is all fine and dandy, but 2nd year in a row that Iowa was in position to win despite "should have been thumped". That was a trend for ISU last year as well, so hopefully that changes come Big12 slate. Because unlike Iowa, teams like KSU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and WVU will capitalize on those.

I will agree turnovers are an issue. The interception was on the receivers last week according to Rhoads, but the fumble was on Jantz. Rhoads will have two weeks to drill the turnover issues into the players heads. I really think the turnover bug goes both ways. We are on the bad side of it now, but still 3-0, a bye may be just what we needed to turn that around. As for the last statement, with our defense that statement cant be made.

 

[TXCyclones]

ISU has a lot to prove still. A win against Tech will not get us into the Top 25 either. Gonna have to somehow handle Tech and win at TCU to get in there.

Tulsa = Good, solid win

Iowa = Win, but unimpressive against an opponent that is viewed as a very poor team this year nationally

Western Carolina = Got the W, but should have and honestly, we didn't look that great offensively after the first couple TDs. Should have beaten them worse. I think Baylor would have hung 50+ on them with their offense.

We have a competitive FB team, but I am far from convinced it is Top 25 worthy. Let's see what happend against Tech first.

Carolina/Illinois... same thing. Any team w/ a Western, Eastern, Central, Northern, etc. all run together.

 

[isuno1fan]

Carolina/Illinois... same thing. Any team w/ a Western, Eastern, Central, Northern, etc. all run together.

Whoops...thanks...now corrected.

 

[cuphues]

Tulsa was a solid win.

Not sure how "solid" it is considering they are not in a BCS conference.

 

[Stewo]

Just. Win.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Not sure how "solid" it is considering they are not in a BCS conference.

It's more solid than beating Indiana or Colorado or numerous other teams in BCS conferences.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Not sure how "solid" it is considering they are not in a BCS conference.

More solid than 75% of the Big 10, and the "best win" of the majority of the top-25.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

More solid than 75% of the Big 10, and the "best win" of the majority of the top-25.

Not according to splitidentity, you have to be a BCS school to be good. Tulsa would do really well in the Big 10 this season and we be the best team in the Big East.