So what will the reaction be IF this season gets turned around?

[Cybyassociation]

Turn the season around...in March? Not going to happen. After watching last night's game, this team is ready to be done with each other and done with the season. Depending on their first round match up, I don't see them making it past the first weekend.

 

[Cybyassociation]

I've seen no indication this team has the fortitude to turn it around.

Or even a desire to turn it around.

 

[CySanka3]

My pessimistic fear:
Bounce out in first round of both tourneys.
Then we lose Shayok, Babb, Talley, Wiggs declares, THT declares, Lewis transfers and return Hali, Zion, Jacobson, Conditt, Solo, hopefully Lard, Nixon get picked to finish 6th or 7th in conference again which we do then get in on the bubble or NIT.

Man I'm down on bball right now, give me hope team!

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Team Chemistry? This is like mixing bleach and toilet bowl cleaner. Just toxic. Better to ponder who is transferring out after this season.

throw some tinfoil into the mix and now we're really cooking with oil!

 

[EarthIsMan]

First, let's get a few things clear. Despite how irrational some fans are 1) Prohm is not going anywhere this year unless he decides to leave voluntarily, and 2) ISU will make the tournament regardless of what happens now until Selection Sunday.

Second, this is a not too uncommon position for a team to end the regular season poorly (due to chemistry, injuries, fatigue, luck, etc.) and then still have a successful postseason. This "peaking" at the right time narrative is not causal to a successful postseason. Some recent examples are:

There are plenty examples of teams also crashing and burning to close out a season, but "it is not over until it is over".

Lots to learn about this program over the next few games and weeks.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

My pessimistic fear:
Bounce out in first round of both tourneys.
Then we lose Shayok, Babb, Talley, Wiggs declares, THT declares, Lewis transfers and return Hali, Zion, Jacobson, Conditt, Solo, hopefully Lard, Nixon get picked to finish 6th or 7th in conference again which we do then get in on the bubble or NIT.

Man I'm down on bball right now, give me hope team!

There is already scout feedback out on THT and LW and the consensus is that they aren't even close to ready. I can see LW leaving but not TH.

 

[Halincandenza]

Maybe they will get lucky and get almost gifted an elite eight like KSU last year.

 

[EarthIsMan]

Maybe they will get lucky and get almost gifted an elite eight like KSU last year.

You make your own luck

 

[Jayshellberg]

As much as I would love these scenarios to happen, the only rationale ones that I can envision at this point is one Big 12 win and one NCAA tournament win, and even have difficulty seeing either of those happening.

 

[DeereClone]

A month ago I would have been happy with a win in KC and a win in the Tourney. Now I need a Big 12 Finals appearance and a Sweet 16 to make up for the garbage that I've watched for the last month.

 

[fsanford]

A couple of guys are probably more focused on this.I am thinking so that will make a turn around tougher

• May 14-19 -- NBA Draft Combine 2019 (Chicago)

 

[rochclone]

First, let's get a few things clear. Despite how irrational some fans are 1) Prohm is not going anywhere this year unless he decides to leave voluntarily, and 2) ISU will make the tournament regardless of what happens now until Selection Sunday.

Second, this is a not too uncommon position for a team to end the regular season poorly (due to chemistry, injuries, fatigue, luck, etc.) and then still have a successful postseason. This "peaking" at the right time narrative is not causal to a successful postseason. Some recent examples are:
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There are plenty examples of teams also crashing and burning to close out a season, but "it is not over until it is over".

Lots to learn about this program over the next few games and weeks.

Good post. However one common theme for all those teams was primarily defense.

 

[EarthIsMan]

Good post. However one common theme for all those teams was primarily defense.

Agreed, except for one which was Notre Dame in 2016.

Great offense, horrible defense and that team even had a worse late season collapse then ISU is currently having. Not promising, but there is recent precedent for late season turnaround for efficient offensive and declining defensive team.

 

[MK24Cy]

Agreed, except for one which was Notre Dame in 2016.

Great offense, horrible defense and that team even had a worse late season collapse then ISU is currently having. Not promising, but there is recent precedent for late season turnaround for efficient offensive and declining defensive team.
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Notre Dame as a 6 seed also played an 11 seed, 14 seed, and 7 seed on their way to the Elite Eight and had upperclassmen leaders who'd spent their whole careers at Notre Dame and went to the Elite Eight the year before, so they knew what it took.

 

[EarthIsMan]

Notre Dame as a 6 seed also played an 11 seed, 14 seed, and 7 seed on their way to the Elite Eight and had upperclassmen leaders who'd spent their whole careers at Notre Dame and went to the Elite Eight the year before, so they knew what it took.

....and they also really crashed late in the regular season and had a much worse defense than ISU.

Notre Dame had 1 senior, 3 juniors, and 1 sophomore in their starting lineup. Weighted by minutes played Notre Dame had slightly more experience than 2019 ISU, but Notre Dame had a lot more minute continuity per KenPom.

I by no means predict that ISU will turn this season around, but the precedent exists.

 

[iowa_wildcat]

If Prohm is smart he will immediately cut the cancer out of this team after the last game and send them packing at the end of the semester. If he keeps the cancer around and problems develop again next season, Prohm will most likely be trying to find a new employer.

Bruce Weber went through it with the Foster bunch. Weber proved it is possible to rise from the ashes if precise, direct action is taken.

 

[Nelcyn]

 

[FinalFourCy]

....and they also really crashed late in the regular season and had a much worse defense than ISU.

Notre Dame had 1 senior, 3 juniors, and 1 sophomore in their starting lineup. Weighted by minutes played Notre Dame had slightly more experience than 2019 ISU, but Notre Dame had a lot more minute continuity per KenPom.

I by no means predict that ISU will turn this season around, but the precedent exists.

Did that ND team “really” crash like this team? Their worst stretch was 3 losses out of 4, with losses not nearly as “unexpected”. They weren’t going to beat a much better Miami team. They were never as “good” of team imo.


We’ve fallen apart quickly. Although I doubt we’ll ever be a fine-tuned group that reaches its potential, we can get back to being competent enough to win games against equally talented teams.

 

[Nelcyn]

 

[MK24Cy]

....and they also really crashed late in the regular season and had a much worse defense than ISU.

Notre Dame had 1 senior, 3 juniors, and 1 sophomore in their starting lineup. Weighted by minutes played Notre Dame had slightly more experience than 2019 ISU, but Notre Dame had a lot more minute continuity per KenPom.

I by no means predict that ISU will turn this season around, but the precedent exists.

I appreciate the optimism, but that ND team went 5-3 to end the regular season with wins over #2 UNC and #13 Louisville. One of the 3 losses was to #7 Miami with the other 2 on the road, one of which was by 1 point, and the other was to an FSU squad fighting for their tourney life which they barely missed out on. They also beat #19 Duke to open the ACC Tourney.

As for their defense, the 3 games they lost to end the season and the conference tourney loss they scored 62, 56, 50, and 47 points respectively, so I think their issues were as much or more offensive related in those games.

I get the generic point you're making that seemingly every year a few teams make a run after a poor finish, but the things that translate well in the tournament and all of those teams had in some form(great defense, great coaching, unique style, senior leadership, tournament experience) are not on this team. The only thing you could make a stretch argument we have is unique style, but I can't remember a game the last 2 months we were able to dictate tempo outside of maybe Kansas and they like to run and play small like us, so you can't definitively say that was our doing.