Should there be a Div 1 playoff system..?

[coachdags]

I am sure this has been discussed at length before, but once again it looks like the current BCS system is no more than a popularity contest. We have expanded College football from 9 games to now 12, every team seems to play a couple of easy games early on, the season took long arguement seems to no longer be a issue as College football will play games all the way til Janurary 7th.

It is time for a 8 to 16 game playoff system, using some of the current bowl sites as playing venues.

Thoughts......?

 

[mwitt]

I used to favor a playoff. I now, in no way, favor an NFL style playoff system in college football.

Michigan losing to Appalachian State was one of the coolest things I've seen in sports. It wouldn't have had the major impact it did if there was a playoff system.

Oklahoma losing last week wouldn't be a huge deal. They'd still have a shot at the championship.

Illinois beat Ohio State? Who cares? The Buckeyes will be right there when it comes championship time.

The lack of a playoff system creates a 12 to 13 week sense of urgency for teams. I think it's great watching teams playing for so much week after week. If they were to adopt a final four playoff system, I could definitely handle that.

 

[sodakjoe]

The only viable playoff I can see is the +1 scenario. An 8 or 16 team playoff is not financially viable to the NCAA, and therefore will not even be considered. Bowl games make way too much money for far too many people, and the reason they make all that money is because the fanbase that attends the games is so large. If you take away all those fans of teams that will no longer get to go to bowl games, that's a very large amount of income you are losing.

Ultimately, it comes down to dollar signs. Would a playoff solve everything? Of course not. Is it an option? Yes. Will it be considered? No.

 

[coachdags]

The only viable playoff I can see is the +1 scenario. An 8 or 16 team playoff is not financially viable to the NCAA, and therefore will not even be considered. Bowl games make way too much money for far too many people, and the reason they make all that money is because the fanbase that attends the games is so large. If you take away all those fans of teams that will no longer get to go to bowl games, that's a very large amount of income you are losing.

Ultimately, it comes down to dollar signs. Would a playoff solve everything? Of course not. Is it an option? Yes. Will it be considered? No.

I would love to see some financial comparisons between the NCAA final four basketball tourney and the BCS (expanded) bowl program.....

I believe the NCAA Basketball tournament is the "Greatest Show on Earth" as far as money revenues go....PLease include all TV revenue, Tickets, ect.....?

 

[mwitt]

I believe the NCAA Basketball tournament is the "Greatest Show on Earth" as far as money revenues go....PLease include all TV revenue, Tickets, ect.....?

Part of the reason the NCAA tourney is so great is because you can have so many teams play in it because you don't need a week off inbetween basketball games.

Why didn't you include the 4 team playoff in the poll?

 

[sodakjoe]

I would love to see some financial comparisons between the NCAA final four basketball tourney and the BCS (expanded) bowl program.....

I believe the NCAA Basketball tournament is the "Greatest Show on Earth" as far as money revenues go....PLease include all TV revenue, Tickets, ect.....?

It's not the amount of money, it's about the number of entities that get the money. There's no way that many schools are gonna give up those dollars.

 

[Wesley]

It is now a beauty pageant. And what about Hawaii? They are unbeaten behemouths.

 

[coachdags]

It is now a beauty pageant. And what about Hawaii? They are unbeaten behemouths.

Last year the BCS bowl only included the top 8 teams... Is it fair to leave Hawaii out this year of the top 8....? Boise State (WAC) made it....?

Am I wrong or did the BCS this year expanded to the top 16 teams....?

 

[coachdags]

It's not the amount of money, it's about the number of entities that get the money. There's no way that many schools are gonna give up those dollars.

I really think with the Conference sharing revenue program in Basketball the numbers would be closer than we think.....?

 

[Cyclone62]

Last year the BCS bowl only included the top 8 teams... Is it fair to leave Hawaii out this year of the top 8....? Boise (WAC) made it....?

Am I wrong or did the BCS this year expanded to the top 16 teams....?

Last year it was expanded to the top 14 teams for BCS Bowl bids, specifically for cases like Boise State and Utah.

If we were to look at the amount of money between the NCAA tourney and football bowl bids, I have to think they'd be similar in total revenue brought in. The problem is that more schools get more money in the bowl system than they would in a tournament. the "final four" type bowls would receive as much money as they do already, plus the schools would get the money from their games earlier.

The only reason the NFL and NCAA basketball tourneys/playoffs work as well as they do is because the NFL has a third of the teams the I-A does, and in basketball, you can play games two days apart. Football requires more recovery time. If we were to go to a playoff system, we would need to play less games in the regular season, which the money those bring in schools wouldn't go for.

 

[twojman]

Playoffs seem to work for 1-AA and division 2 and division 3, why can't they work for 1-A?
To me the bowl system is a dinosaur like the big 10, time to move on and modernize to catch up with the real world.

 

[mwitt]

Playoffs seem to work for 1-AA and division 2 and division 3, why can't they work for 1-A?
To me the bowl system is a dinosaur like the big 10, time to move on and modernize to catch up with the real world.

Time to catch up to the real world, like D-1AA and D-2? Yeah, because that's where all the money's at.

/end sarcasm

 

[twojman]

Time to catch up to the real world, like D-1AA and D-2? Yeah, because that's where all the money's at.

/end sarcasm

Tell the NFL to go to a bowl system, I am sure they will jump on it because there is so much money available!

 

[mwitt]

Tell the NFL to go to a bowl system, I am sure they will jump on it because there is so much money available!

That point was disputed in a previous post. Did any matchup in Week 1 of the NFL have as big of an impact as Appalachian State vs Michigan did?

 

[twojman]

That point was disputed in a previous post. Did any matchup in Week 1 of the NFL have as big of an impact as Appalachian State vs Michigan did?

If the bowl system was so great, every level of football would be using it, currently division 1-a is the only level of football to use bowls to determine a champion. Which is wrong, every other league from high school to the pros or division 1? In division 1 teams can go undefeated and not have a chance to be the champs! (Hawaii this year, Utah a couple of years ago, Auburn a few years ago) Great way to decide who is a champ, let the media/computers/former players coaches/analysts with axes to grind and biases decided. Yes the bowl system rules!

 

[ajk4st8]

The problem with the bowl system starts with preseason rankings.

Big name schools get a fantasy ranking which means nothing to start the season. If they lose 1 or 2 it is easy for these teams to move right back up. Meanwhile people are hesitant to give new 'hot' teams a break if they lose one.

It is hard to determine anymore if people base rankings off who has been the best team by winning games, or who is the best team on paper.

I hate systems that take away from big upsets. One way to find out who is best is to line them up and play them, rather than judging a team how they have played over a full season when so many things happen (injuries, bad calls).

 

[mwitt]

If the bowl system was so great, every level of football would be using it, currently division 1-a is the only level of football to use bowls to determine a champion. Which is wrong, every other league from high school to the pros or division 1? In division 1 teams can go undefeated and not have a chance to be the champs! (Hawaii this year, Utah a couple of years ago, Auburn a few years ago) Great way to decide who is a champ, let the media/computers/former players coaches/analysts with axes to grind and biases decided. Yes the bowl system rules!

If high school and lower divisions of college football would make more money by using the bowl system, do you think they would use it? Really? Think about it. This is not complex.

You have a valid point about a team going undefeated and not having a chance to win the championship. That's why I advocated earlier in the thread having a final four system. You're sounding more and more like you haven't read the thread with every post.

 

[mwitt]

The problem with the bowl system starts with preseason rankings.

That's a valid point. Preseason rankings are stupid for both football and basketball. But to be fair, the BCS rankings don't come out until, I believe, Week 8.

 

[sodakjoe]

That's a valid point. Preseason rankings are stupid for both football and basketball. But to be fair, the BCS rankings don't come out until, I believe, Week 8.

While this is true, the BCS rankings are based on two polls that are released beginning in the preseason, so the effect of releasing the BCS standings later is pretty much negated.

 

[mwitt]

While this is true, the BCS rankings are based on two polls that are released beginning in the preseason, so the effect of releasing the BCS standings later is pretty much negated.

I admit I'm not an expert on the formula the BCS rankings use. I was under the impression that it only took into effect what a team was ranked at the present time in the polls. If I'm wrong, thanks for the heads up.