I already laid out my logic. How would this impact recruiting anymore than our current reality?
SEC/Big10 Pushing for 16 Team Playoff
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You are laughingly brain dead on this point and essentially makes any other point you're trying to make on this topic completely illegitimate.
The fact they were choosing between SMU and Bama is exactly why Big 12 should be on five alarm alert and devote a huge budget to floating our own propaganda.
Not having at least BYU in the at large discussion is completely irrational. There are ways to fight back especially when you have some facts and data on the side of your argument.
You’ve lost logic and evidentiary arguments and have resorted to ad hominem attacks.
You’re not opening up many (if any?) new entities into CFB by pooling rights. Fox, ESPN, NBC, CBS all already bid on CFB content. Maybe Apple and Amazon want a piece of the pie, but any gains from those two would likely be marginal.
You seriously asking this question?
Agreeing to more auto bids for the B10 and SEC is voluntarily and publicly concurring that the B12 is not worthy of equal future (emphasis on future) auto bids which is obvious recruiting suicide. And the unequal auto bid concept itself is absolutely ludicrous given no other sport that I am aware of does anything like it. Only irrational CFB leaders can come up with something this absurd and even worse, have braindead CFB fans somehow agree with it.
NBC and CBS sublicense their existing B10 deals from Fox.
And to suggest that any gains from bidders outside of ESPN and Fox would be "marginal" is extremely foolish.
That’s where we are. That’s our current reality. We’re not equal to the B10 or SEC in resources.
We could negotiate for some sort of performance clause as a mechanism to get more autobids in the future.
No other sport except for collegiate sports uses a committee to determine postseason participation. That concept alone is absurd when you think about it.
People acted like Arizona State didn't belong in the playoff last year and #4 Texas needed a blown call and some amazing 4th down conversions to beat them. Not only did they look like a top 12 team, they very clearly looked like the top half of the top 12.
That's the only chance our new conference has had so far to prove itself.
I would like to see more years of teams playing this out on the field. I only worry about a system where the Big 12 is doomed to play exclusively true road games in this format (which would be the case with 1 or 2 autobids), not that the Big 12 champ won't be able to compete with teams like Ole Miss, Indiana and Iowa or will somehow be far worse than those teams.
I might be more legitimately worried about not being able to compete if I was an ACC fan for a number of reasons. The Big Ten was the third best football conference for decades and did fine. I'm not yet convinced the Big 12 cannot compete as the clear third best fb conference. The ACC does not want metrics of their entire conference coming into this.
I don’t think that’s true. I think NBC and CBS both have direct deals with the B10.
And even if it was, so what? They still pay for CFB content. Why would they pay more to own the rights versus sublicense if it’s pooled?
It was confirmed by John Ourand that Fox owns 100% of B10 rights and there is no known termination of that arrangement. Fox reps were the primary negotiators with Kevin Warren being present when the existing deals with CBS and NBC were struck.
And of course NBC, CBS, Amazon, etc. would pay more for B10 (or any other conference rights) if they also have access to some CFP rights just like the NFL does to their extreme financial benefit. And that is the fundamental tenet of pooling P4/P7 media rights as opposed to the existing ESPN/Fox stranglehold on the sport for their sole benefit.
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Big Ten completes $7B deal with Fox, CBS, NBC
The Big Ten has completed a new seven-year media rights agreement with Fox, CBS and NBC that is set to bring in more than $7 billion to one of the nation's most powerful athletic conferences.
www.espn.com
Big Ten completes $7B deal with Fox, CBS, NBC
The Big Ten has completed a new seven-year media rights agreement with Fox, CBS and NBC that is set to bring in more than $7 billion to one of the nation's most powerful athletic conferences.
SBJ: Big Ten Renewing TV Deal with Fox; Other Networks Still To Be Determined
With ABC/ESPN needing to clear room for the SEC, there’s going to be a new network involved with televising the Big Ten after this upcoming season.
www.cornnation.com
SBJ: Big Ten Renewing TV Deal with Fox; Other Networks Still To Be Determined
With ABC/ESPN needing to clear room for the SEC, there’s going to be a new network involved with televising the Big Ten after this upcoming season.
lol ok. You respond to my espn article with an article from...cornnation. Guess which one I'm going to trust more?
The entire point isn't how the sausage is made anyway. The point is both CBS and NBC are contractually obligated to carry a specific amount of Big 10 college football games in exchange for a contractually specific amount of money paid to the Big 10 conference.
Guess what that's called everywhere except inside your head? That's called a tv contract.
Why are you guys bit&*ing and complaining back and forth on a subject you have literally zero control over?! lol
Dude, you are so dug in on this that you've lost reality. Maybe realize when you're the one shouting into the void no matter what legitimate, verified facts anyone else brings that you're the one that might be off base.
5-11 makes more sense than 4-4-2-2-1. 2 for each P4, 1 G5, and 7 at large makes the most sense. People are claiming 1 G5 doesn’t deserve a spot, but there really isn’t a chance for anyone else outside the top 5 either anyways. Some years it’s pretty obvious who will win it, with some years a real second or third contender.
Also, in his article, nowhere did it say Fox was sublicensing B10 rights to NBC and CBS. It said Fox previously owned 100% of the B10 rights and was looking to continue to be the primary rights holder moving forward. Which they are.
What actually happened is Fox decided not to overpay for 100% of B10 rights (like ESPN did with the CFP) in the new contract, but still paid to be the primary rights holder. The B10 directly sold the other percentage of rights to CBS and NBC.
But this argument has strayed so far now. And he’s so wrong on so many things at this point the effort is fruitless.
The direct SBJ link is behind a paywall. The cornnation link provides direct quotes from Ourand's SBJ article confirming that Fox/BTN own 100% of the B10's media rights and the NBC and CBS deals were essentially sublicensed (both are paying Fox/BTN, not the B10).
And yes, we all know it's a TV contract but the point was Fox controls the B10, not Tony Pettiti, and they will continue to attempt to manipulate the future of CFB to their benefit as will ESPN/SEC. NBC does have some influence with their ND deal but CBS isn't a relevant stakeholder at this point.
