MLB: Sandberg says Sosa doesn't belong in HOF

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Chicago Cubs Hall of Famer Ryne Sandberg said his former teammate Sammy Sosa does not belong in the Hall because of integrity issues associated with the steroids era.



The New York Times reported that Sosa was one of the 104 players in 2003 who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs.

Appearing on the "Waddle & Silvy" show on ESPN 1000, Sandberg said "I don't think so," when asked if Sosa belongs in the Hall of Fame

"They use the word 'integrity' in describing a Hall of Famer in the logo of the Hall of Fame, and I think there are gonna be quite a few players that are not going to get in," Sandberg said. "It's been evident with the sportswriters who vote them in, with what they've done with Mark McGwire getting in the 20 percent range.


"We have some other players coming up like [Rafael] Palmeiro coming up soon, and it'll be up to the sportswriters to speak loud and clear about that. I don't see any of those guys getting in."


Sandberg and Sosa were Cubs teammates from 1992 to '94 and from '96 to '97.


"I was around Sammy for about five years before I retired, and there wasn't anything going on then," Sandberg said. "I did admire the hard work he put in. He was one of the first guys down to the batting cage, hitting extra. I figured he was working out hard in the offseason to get bigger. It was just happening throughout the game, that even myself was blinded by what was really happening, maybe starting in the '98 season.


"I think it's very unfortunate. I think suspicions were there as they are with some other players. Those players are now put in a category of being tainted players with tainted stats. I think it's obviously something that was going on in the game. Players participated in it and as the names have come out I think that they will be punished for that."


Sandberg said that punishment should include being banned from Cooperstown.


"It's something that's against the law and against society," Sandberg said. "It was cheating in the sport.

"I think it has to be spoken very loud and clear on the stance, and baseball needs to stand as they have. I'm very, very satisfied with the testing program they have in place now. For a guy who's tested positive today under what happens now like Manny Ramirez, it almost takes an idiot to participate in that. For the society, for the up-and-coming players and youth out there, I don't think those guys should be recognized at all."
 

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I agree 100%, Gotta love Ryno's stance. I do think the list of 104 needs to be given in order to stop others from making the hall though. If you hold Sosa out, all the others need to be judged also. I am curious what everyone thinks- do A-Rod and Manny get into the hall of fame? Obviously if A-Rod keeps going.
 

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I agree 100%, Gotta love Ryno's stance. I do think the list of 104 needs to be given in order to stop others from making the hall though. If you hold Sosa out, all the others need to be judged also. I am curious what everyone thinks- do A-Rod and Manny get into the hall of fame? Obviously if A-Rod keeps going.

If you let ARod and Manny in then you let Bonds, Sosa, and McGuire in too...
 

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If you let ARod and Manny in then you let Bonds, Sosa, and McGuire in too...

I am with you, just thought it is an interesting question, what if A-Rod hits another 400 home runs now that he is being tested better? Guess it would be tough to keep him out, but he is still tainted like the rest!
 

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Everyone assumes A-Rod is going to continue to be great, but he has been terrible this season. Now he's going to sit a minimum of 1 game a week until at least the All Star break...I bet some 'roids or HGH would've really come in handy for that nagging hip injury!!
 

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Everyone assumes A-Rod is going to continue to be great, but he has been terrible this season. Now he's going to sit a minimum of 1 game a week until at least the All Star break...I bet some 'roids or HGH would've really come in handy for that nagging hip injury!!

If it's with the actual hip socket or bone, no. They wouldn't have helped at all. I'd actually guess it's that simply because generally muscles will heal over time. He's gotta have another surgery after the year so I'd guess there's something deeper. Depending on what's actually wrong, it's quite possible it will affect his hitting all year.

And terrible? Yeah, his batting average is brutal, but have you checked his on base percentage? His batting average is 90 points below his career average, but his on base percentage is only down 20 points. He's actually better when it comes to plate discipline. His strike outs are down, walks are up, and he's been playing baseball for a little over a month. I'll betcha his average goes up 50 or 60 points between now and August.

Came back to the Yankees in postseason shape. Can't hit to save his life!

He's still not NEARLY as terrible as Wang is. I'm only half kidding when I say I could pitch as well as Wang has this season.
 
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If it's with the actual hip socket or bone, no. They wouldn't have helped at all. I'd actually guess it's that simply because generally muscles will heal over time. He's gotta have another surgery after the year so I'd guess there's something deeper. Depending on what's actually wrong, it's quite possible it will affect his hitting all year.

And terrible? Yeah, his batting average is brutal, but have you checked his on base percentage? His batting average is 90 points below his career average, but his on base percentage is only down 20 points. He's actually better when it comes to plate discipline. His strike outs are down, walks are up, and he's been playing baseball for a little over a month. I'll betcha his average goes up 50 or 60 points between now and August.

Came back to the Yankees in postseason shape. Can't hit to save his life!

He's still not NEARLY as terrible as Wang is. I'm only half kidding when I say I could pitch as well as Wang has this season.

True, his OBP is only 20 points below his career average, but his OPS and slugging are bother over 100 points behind. Let's be honest, A-rod isn't being paid 33 million a year to take walks.
 
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I'm assuming he means best ever career fielding percentage...which is in fact true.

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That's a misleading stat. If you don't have the range to field the ball, you will not commit an error.

This stat leads to big misconceptions. Derek Jeter has statistically the worst range in the league for Shortstops. He fields the balls in his range fine, but there are balls that go for hits that other shortstops would get, so it doesn't count against his fielding percentage. That's why you see Jeter diving all the time; but if you watch closely you see he isn't making that amazing of a play; he's just slow in the field for shortstops.

Sandberg did the best job fielding balls he could get a hold of, but there were secondbasemen with superior range compared to him, and that's important. You want your middle infield to take away hits, not just field the balls hit to them...
 

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Yep, that's why I said best to ever field his position. Sandberg's induction was a nod to players who excel in facets of the game that often take a back seat to "hitting dingers." Not that Sandberg was any slouch in that department among second basemen....

The 3 guys I listed had better range than Sandberg. Fielding percentage is a misleading stat....
 

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The 3 guys I listed had better range than Sandberg. Fielding percentage is a misleading stat....

A lot of stats are misleading. Batting average is worthless if the guy gets a ton of walks or hit a lot. Slugging is worthless if the guy only hits homer after homer but does nothing else. ERA is worthless if the guy pitches in a launch pad (see: Yankee Stadium) or a pitchers park (see: Comerica). Wins are worthless because the guy could get a ton of run support. RBIs are misleading because maybe the guys in front of said hitter suck and are never on. Saves are misleading because you could enter every game up 3 runs and give up 2 runs and still get it.

I think you can make a case that most statistics are misleading...
 
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