Rumored Verizon Changes

cytech

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What you can do to keep data down is make sure you are using wireless networks when you can. I use my phone the most at home and at the office. At both of those locations to phone uses wifi for internet usage.
 

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I have family that lives in the boonies and they use dial-up for internet. Every time we visit I tether my laptop and use my phone's connection and every time I've gone over 4 GBs for those months.

Now, if I was limited, I'd obviously keep an eye on my usage a lot closer and so for mobile usage I'm not too concerned. The problem I have with pay-per-bit schemes is that it sets a dangerous precedent. How long until my ISP starts charging per bit? with ATT and other telecoms being both ISPs and mobile network providers I don't think it'll be long until everyone pays for every bit they use.
 

cytech

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I have family that lives in the boonies and they use dial-up for internet. Every time we visit I tether my laptop and use my phone's connection and every time I've gone over 4 GBs for those months.

Now, if I was limited, I'd obviously keep an eye on my usage a lot closer and so for mobile usage I'm not too concerned. The problem I have with pay-per-bit schemes is that it sets a dangerous precedent. How long until my ISP starts charging per bit? with ATT and other telecoms being both ISPs and mobile network providers I don't think it'll be long until everyone pays for every bit they use.

Are you paying for the option to tether or are you using a app that allows your phone to do it? If you are paying the cell companies fee they don't care, if you are using ways around it they are trying to get paid for it.
 

synapticwave

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Are you paying for the option to tether or are you using a app that allows your phone to do it? If you are paying the cell companies fee they don't care, if you are using ways around it they are trying to get paid for it.

That's not true moving forward actually. At least on ATT, there is no iPhone Data plan that is unlimited whether you tether or otherwise (you do pay more if you enable tethering actually, which makes no sense AT ALL, if you're going to cap my usage it shouldn't matter how I use my bits, right?).

But currently, I have an iPhone 3GS and ATT made a fairly big blunder with the release of the 3.0.1 (7A400) release of their OS that allows tethering through the UI and in the license agreement distributed with the OS, so I've stuck with that version since they released it. Granted, I can't use a few apps that require iOS 4, but I'm legally within the bounds of my license agreement with ATT and can tether as much as I want. If the family members we visit would get DSL or something and I could hook up a wireless router at their house I would upgrade in a second and cease using tethering, but until then, I'll keep doing what I'm doing.
 

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AT&T also doesn't have a large customer base either...coincidence? I think not.


exactly... verizon is king/queen in cellular business... i dont think they want to be compared to AT&T... however with the large base and fact the lower tier companies dont have as good as product, they may be okay making any change.

ten years from now how it will impact the cell market, who knows.
 

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Mobile Broadband is now tiered, but access for your smartphone is $20 for 2GB/month with $20/GB overage. I consider 2GB on a smartphone to still be "unlimited". Maybe others don't.

You can blow through 2GB easily just streaming Pandora a few hours a day at work. Plus a lot of apps blow through a fair bit of data checking for updates from email/facebook/etc. Add in a few YouTube videos and you could be over 2 GB in a week or less without trying hard. And that's on 3G. On 4G you could easily go over 2 GB in a few hours.
 

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I have family that lives in the boonies and they use dial-up for internet. Every time we visit I tether my laptop and use my phone's connection and every time I've gone over 4 GBs for those months.

Now, if I was limited, I'd obviously keep an eye on my usage a lot closer and so for mobile usage I'm not too concerned. The problem I have with pay-per-bit schemes is that it sets a dangerous precedent. How long until my ISP starts charging per bit? with ATT and other telecoms being both ISPs and mobile network providers I don't think it'll be long until everyone pays for every bit they use.


A news report I saw this morning, said ATT&T is going to start charging tiered usage for home internet as well. I had to leave before I saw the full report, so I don't know what it's really all about. But I have a feeling this is one area of tech that is going to increase in price compared to reduce like most other things, the more people that use it.
 

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A news report I saw this morning, said ATT&T is going to start charging tiered usage for home internet as well. I had to leave before I saw the full report, so I don't know what it's really all about. But I have a feeling this is one area of tech that is going to increase in price compared to reduce like most other things, the more people that use it.

I saw this on Friday

Shed a Tear: The Age of Broadband Caps Begins Monday | Epicenter | Wired.com

"Come Monday, AT&T will begin restricting more than 16 million broadband users based on the amount of data they use in a month. The No. 2 carrier’s entry into the broadband-cap club means that a majority of U.S. broadband users will now be subject to limits on how much they can do online or risk extra charges as ugly as video store late fees."
 

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You can blow through 2GB easily just streaming Pandora a few hours a day at work. Plus a lot of apps blow through a fair bit of data checking for updates from email/facebook/etc. Add in a few YouTube videos and you could be over 2 GB in a week or less without trying hard. And that's on 3G. On 4G you could easily go over 2 GB in a few hours.

I use my Android phone more than anyone I know and I never reach 2GB in a month. I don't get wifi at work either but do use wifi as much as possible anywhere else. Saves battery and saves data usage :)
 

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A news report I saw this morning, said ATT&T is going to start charging tiered usage for home internet as well. I had to leave before I saw the full report, so I don't know what it's really all about. But I have a feeling this is one area of tech that is going to increase in price compared to reduce like most other things, the more people that use it.

I saw this on Friday

Shed a Tear: The Age of Broadband Caps Begins Monday | Epicenter*| Wired.com

"Come Monday, AT&T will begin restricting more than 16 million broadband users based on the amount of data they use in a month. The No. 2 carrier’s entry into the broadband-cap club means that a majority of U.S. broadband users will now be subject to limits on how much they can do online or risk extra charges as ugly as video store late fees."

Yup, this was on ars today in fact: AT&T's broadband data caps start today
 

aeroclone

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AT&T also doesn't have a large customer base either...coincidence? I think not.

FAIL!

1 - Verizon - 102 Million
2 - AT&T 97 Million
3 - Sprint 50 Million
4 - T-Mo 34 Million

AT&T was the largest carrier in the US for quite a while until Verizon closed their deal to acquire Alltel. If ATT successfully buys up T-Mo, they will once again be number one by a long shot.

List of United States wireless communications service providers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

drmwevr08

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FAIL!

1 - Verizon - 102 Million
2 - AT&T 97 Million
3 - Sprint 50 Million
4 - T-Mo 34 Million

AT&T was the largest carrier in the US for quite a while until Verizon closed their deal to acquire Alltel. If ATT successfully buys up T-Mo, they will once again be number one by a long shot.

List of United States wireless communications service providers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My question is how did they get so many with poo poo service?

Pretty soon, all cell cariers will be Taco Bell...
 

aeroclone

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My question is how did they get so many with poo poo service?

Pretty soon, all cell cariers will be Taco Bell...

I will avoid giving you the answer of "Apple Zombies" for fear of turning this into another Apple/Anti-Apple thread. So that said, when you have a really hot exclusive device and crappy service, plenty of people that want said device will put up with your crappy service.
:spinny:
 

cycloneSOULja

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My question is how did they get so many with poo poo service?

Pretty soon, all cell cariers will be Taco Bell...

iPhones, roll over minutes, etc... Be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of years as AT&T iPhone users' contracts expire.
 

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Highly, highly, highly doubt that. AT&T has nowhere near the customer base of Verizon. I am guessing here, but I would say even if you combine AT&T and T-Mobile's customer base it would still be significantly smaller than Verizon.

You are a bad guesser. ATT has almost caught Verzion. It's a few million difference now. When they add TMob they will basically be TMob user base larger than Verzion. Something like 35 million people.
 

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This is strange. I know for a fact that if you have a corporate account with Verizon everytime a new device such a new model of Blackberry comes out they allow you to upgrade to it for free as well as they give significant cost cuts to corporations who have big contracts with them. I guess maybe they are passing down the costs of not getting full price on devices and plans from corporations onto the average consumer?
 

CivEFootball

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What does this have to do with net neutrality? Do you think that somehow net neutrality will allow you unlimited downloads?

Because companies have grouped together caps and metering together to provide a worse service for the customer.
 

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