MLB: Royals on the verge of acquiring James Shields and Wade Davis from the Rays
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And married the 3B coach's daughter.... Believe I still have the Angel Berroa ROY batting helmet in a box somewhere. Might be worth millions some day.
i have a signed baseball from him. i think its worth less then a brand new baseball. the cheap high quality ones though
Terrible, terrible trade... as a Royals fan this is so discouraging. Here is the thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread... they are paying Shields and Davis close to 20 million the next two years. Why not keep your prospects and just spend another 4 million and sign Grienke again?
Because, if they don't make the playoffs in the next 2 years, they won't have any prospects, current good pitching, and all those guys like Hos/Butler/Mous will be trade bait. Team will probably be worsethan the early-mid 2000s teams, with an even bleaker future.
My hope for the Royals has always been that they can make smart moves to secure their future while building a winner. That's never going to happen with this staff and ownership. I've giving up the sports pack this year, probably won't watch a single Royals game, and I'm not going to miss it.
Do people honestly think Shields and Davis are going to push this team to the postseason? Honestly? And who is going to fill right?
You do know guys like Hosmer, Pena and Moose still have like 4-5 years left right? We still have prospects (Lamb, Bonificio, Zimmer, Starling, Ventura), we just don't have Odorizzi and Myers.
2nd off, Greinke would NEVER come back to KC and quite frankly I don't want him here. He ****ed over KC so bad, by leaving, us helping him, he wins the Cy Young, is a disease through the clubhouse and we trade him. He hated it here and would never come back. That's fine you won't watch a Royals game, good fan you are.
Grienke never wanted to be in KC and played the villain to get out. You think this ownership/management team wants that kind of attitude back in the dugout?
Besides, another $4 Million isn't just "another $4 Million" to David Glass.
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Fine. Anibal Sanchez. Brandon McCarthy. Shawn Marcum. Sign any of those guys for the same money, replace Francour with Myers, and you've upgraded your pitching and your lineup, while staying cheap.
A lot of things have to happen for this deal to even make sense. They need to find a reliable replacement for Francour. Davis needs to actually be a good starter. Shields needs to pitch better than he has away from the Trop. What kind of Fan do I need to be? I've watched decades of Royals idiocy and now I'm seeing more. Every Royals fan should have to read the Grantland article. If they can still be excited about it in the face of that then I commend them.
There's plenty of articles that are positive about it as well. In fact George Brett just came on 610 sports and said if they don't start winning now (or at least try) you're not even going to be close to keeping guys like Moose and Hosmer. Sanchez and Marcum are **** poor compared to Shields. You want mediocre, Anibal Sanchez and Marcum are mediocre. Sanchez was going to want money and wouldn't have been cheap for what we were getting for him IMO. Marcum threw 100 less innings than Shields as well, something to look at with a solid young bullpen. Can't be having them throw 3-4 innings in every game like we have been.
Because that would require a commitment of another $130 Million? And that is assuming Greinke wanted to comeback to KC or wouldn't ask for more than LA. David Glass won't ever commit that kind of cash long term to a pitcher. Comparing 2 years at $20 M for two pitchers vs. 6 years at $20M + is not an accurate comparison.
Oh, and Shields numbers have been superior to Greinke the past two years... and Shields pitched in the AL East while ZG was mostly in NL Central.
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I have a glove signed by Terry Leach from when I was a kid. I believe he was a middle reliever. He was probably more excited than me to have someone wanting his autograph.
Sanchez is looking like he will take 5 and $70M or more to sign. And Shields is a better pitcher. He is also better than Mccarthy or Marcum.
I've read the Grantland article... I didn't need to read it really as I knew Rany's thoughts on the deal already. I've also read several articles with quotes from baseball executives and scouts who liked the trade better for the Royals, or thought it was even. I like Rany's writing but it is still just one man's opinions, and Rany does error on favoring prospects over established players. I've spent years waiting for prospects to pan out or expecting them to be saviors, only to watch them fail or take years to become good players. I'm excited because we are actually trying to win now and have a legit shot to do so, and finally have a real major league rotation - seriously, Davis profiles as our #4 starter and he is better than anyone we had last year pre the Sanchez for Guthrie trade.
That says more about our staff than Davis.
And I agree that Shields is better than Sanchez, McCarthy, or Marcum. The point is that you still get a better staff with those guys, and you get the make the upgrade of Myers for Francour in the outfield. As it is we have a slightly better staff, and still have the worst position player in the majors signed up in RF.
If I actually had cash I would love to fly to Vegas and see what kind of odds I would get on the Royals finishing with 80 wins 2013 and trading Shields by the break in 2014.
And I agree that Shields is better than Sanchez, McCarthy, or Marcum. The point is that you still get a better staff with those guys, and you get the make the upgrade of Myers for Francour in the outfield. As it is we have a slightly better staff, and still have the worst position player in the majors signed up in RF.
If I actually had cash I would love to fly to Vegas and see what kind of odds I would get on the Royals finishing with 80 wins 2013 and trading Shields by the break in 2014.
I can't believe we still have people defending this miserable trade. Dayton Moore is a man who once thought it would be a good idea to trade Billy Butler for Yuniesky B. How can we trust this person to run the ballclub?
KC's starters to open next year will be 31, 34, 34, and 36. That has epic fail written all over it.
KC's starters to open next year will be 31, 34, 34, and 36. That has epic fail written all over it.
I'd bet on the Royals winning 80 next year. Probably wouldn't bet on us to make the playoffs but 80 wins is a bet I'd take. I'd like to get rid of Frenchy too, but RF is not exactly the hardest position to fill, if he sucks again we should be at least able to replace him with a replacement level player.
Davis is 27. Santana is 29 now and will be 30 next year. Where are you getting these numbers?
Also, Shields and Guthrie are both very durable starters who haven't had injury trouble. Not worried about old man Chen as he is interchangeable with Mendonza or others if he even makes the rotation.
Greinke would never, ever, ever come back. The Dodgers told him to go get his best offer and then come back to them because they would top it. And it's easier to find a serviceable corner outfielder than it is to find a front of the rotation guy.
Davis will be 27
Santana will be 30
Shields will be 31
Guthrie will be 33
Chen will be 35, Hochevar will be 29, Mendoza will be 29. One of these guys will most likely fill the #5 spot until Paulino and Duffy come back.
Paulino will be 29. Duffy will be 24.
