Roughing the passer penalty in TCU game

[spierceisu]

I remember a roughing the passer call on a sack of Duggan and was really confused. I was thinking that roughing the passer only applied after the ball was thrown but Duggan still had the ball. It looked kind of like a close line type of tackle which I could see it being a unnecessary roughness or blow to the head style hit but not roughing the passer. Can anyone clarify this for me.

 

[VeloClone]

I remember a roughing the passer call on a sack of Duggan and was really confused. I was thinking that roughing the passer only applied after the ball was thrown but Duggan still had the ball. It looked kind of like a close line type of tackle which I could see it being a unnecessary roughness or blow to the head style hit but not roughing the passer. Can anyone clarify this for me.

I can't clarify because I thought the same thing.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Blow to the head is roughing the passer whether he has released the ball or not.

Pretty much a splitting hairs call.

 

[CyState85]

I also had no clue what that call was all about. On a side note, Isaiah Lee is on my “Don’t F With” list

 

[VeloClone]

NCAA rulebook says:

Roughing the Passer ARTICLE 9.

a. No defensive player shall unnecessarily rough a passer, when it is obvious the ball has been thrown. The following actions are illegal, but not limited to:
1. Targeting fouls as noted in Rules 9-1-3 and 9-1-4.
2. Forcible contact to the head or neck area that does not meet the requirements of Rule 9-1-4 (also reference Rule 9-1-2).
3. Forcible contact that is avoidable after it is obvious the ball has left the passer’s hand. (Exception: A defensive player who is blocked by a Team A player with a force so that they have no opportunity to avoid contact with the passer. However, this does not relieve the defensive player of responsibility for personal fouls as described in elsewhere in this section.).
4. Forcibly driving the passer to the ground and landing on the passer with action that punishes the player.
5. Any action that is a personal foul as described elsewhere in this section.

b. When an offensive player is in a passing posture with one or both feet on the ground, no defensive player rushing unabated shall hit the player forcibly at the knee area or below. The defensive player also may not initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit this opponent in the knee area or below. [Exceptions: (1) It is not a foul if the offensive player is a runner not in a passing posture, either inside or outside the tackle box. (2) It is not a foul if the defender grabs or wraps this opponent in an attempt to make a conventional tackle without making forcible contact with the head or shoulder. (3) It is not a foul if the defender is not rushing unabated or is blocked or fouled into this opponent.]

For paragraphs a and b, the penalty is added to the end of the last run when it ends beyond the neutral zone and there is no change of team possession during the down. (A.R. 9-1-9-II-III)

 

[coolerifyoudid]

I was surprised Duggan's head remained attached. I knew a flag was coming immediately.

 

[VeloClone]

Blow to the head is roughing the passer whether he has released the ball or not.

Pretty much a splitting hairs call.

Not according to the letter of the rule (see my post above). a. requires ball to be thrown, b. addresses hitting player at or below the knee. It may have been a foul but these certainly appear to be the only specific roughing the passer fouls.

 

[JUKEBOX]

thought it was funny that the official big 12 highlights youtube put that play in and cut out the flag lol

 

[wonkadog]

Not according to the letter of the rule (see my post above). a. requires ball to be thrown, b. addresses hitting player at or below the knee. It may have been a foul but these certainly appear to be the only specific roughing the passer fouls.

Exactly, it's not a "splitting hairs" kind of thing. I was also baffled when it was announced as roughing the passer. According to the rules you can make almost anything unnecessary roughness, which, ok, go with that then. It was not roughing the passer but one of those that sounds correct to the "casual fan" so you didn't hear anyone questioning it on Saturday.

 

[JP4CY]

I also had no clue what that call was all about. On a side note, Isaiah Lee is on my “Don’t F With” list

I was surprised Duggan's head remained attached. I knew a flag was coming immediately.

Bump:

Replay of the Lee play:

 

[JUKEBOX]

 

[CascadeClone]

Did it look bad on TV?

The replay at the game, looked like Lee hit Duggan's helmet with his hand, but full extension and not really any force at all. Duggan kind of ducked, and went down, but I thought he barely got hit, just slapped. Sort of like a hand on a facemask, but no grab or pull. So I thought it was a weak call, but sometimes real time at the stadium it's hard to tell.

 

[Cydkar]

Did it look bad on TV?

The replay at the game, looked like Lee hit Duggan's helmet with his hand, but full extension and not really any force at all. Duggan kind of ducked, and went down, but I thought he barely got hit, just slapped. Sort of like a hand on a facemask, but no grab or pull. So I thought it was a weak call, but sometimes real time at the stadium it's hard to tell.

Yes. Regardless of the nomenclature, it looked like a penalty to me.

 

[isufbcurt]

Did it look bad on TV?

The replay at the game, looked like Lee hit Duggan's helmet with his hand, but full extension and not really any force at all. Duggan kind of ducked, and went down, but I thought he barely got hit, just slapped. Sort of like a hand on a facemask, but no grab or pull. So I thought it was a weak call, but sometimes real time at the stadium it's hard to tell.

It looked badass live in full speed at the stadium.

That hit and the DL hit on Purdy in the OU game are hits you dream of as a defender

 

[NickTheGreat]

I also thought it was weird you can Rough the Passer, before he throws the ball.

I mean, we were told that helmet-to-helmet was okay on Purday a few weeks ago. I mean, Shoulder-to-Helmet

 

[isufbcurt]

I also thought it was weird you can Rough the Passer, before he throws the ball.

I mean, we were told that helmet-to-helmet was okay on Purday a few weeks ago. I mean, Shoulder-to-Helmet

Read the rules, it's clear as day.

I'm just sick of people ******** about the OU Purdy hit. It was a clean hit, he was a ball carrier (not sitting in the pocket looking to throw) and shoulder to helmet is legal as long as the player isn't defenseless.

I've said before that is a legal dream shot for any defender.

 

[JeanValette]

There was another good one in that game. A TCU defender tried to hit Chase Allen and Chase didn't budge an inch. That TCU dude went from 60 to 0 mph hitting him.