Now it was under my understanding that this site was a place to talk about ISU athletics. I see no problem of speculating about possible injuries or rumors. Most of what is put on here or other sites is just that, speculation. That is what message boards are, someone hears something and then posts it to get peoples opinions. Because i see speculation is anything that happens without a credible source, so when Jeremy posts possible targets for basketball isn't that just speculation or a rumor, I say yes because there is nothing to back it up. Jeremy states he has sources, i don't doubt he does, but how do you know some of the posters don't have sources too? Other sites allow this type of discussion. If you are going to start a message board you can't just talk about what you want you have to open it up, now i know some subjects may get out of hand, but if something is being talked about logically then why close the thread? Look at the threads you closed see how many hits are on them, realize that some of these discussions are what the cyclone fans want to talk about. Sorry i don't mean to make this sound bad. I do realize Jeremy's sources may not want some discussions on here, but as long as Jeremy isn't confirming a story based on speculation and rumor, than it doesn't hurt anything.
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Speculating on recruits, how the season will go, etc is one thing. Injury speculation is an entirely different animal. Generally, it’s only ok to discuss such things once the coaching staff has officially released the info.
Improper speculation about an injury can cause a nasty ripple effect...mainly...Jeremy and the other Cyclone websites not being kept informed by the ISU athletic office in the future - should they allow such improper speculation to go on.
Should you disagree with this policy...try a different website. Although, you'll find the same exact policy is enforced elsewhere.
Improper speculation about an injury can cause a nasty ripple effect...mainly...Jeremy and the other Cyclone websites not being kept informed by the ISU athletic office in the future - should they allow such improper speculation to go on.
Should you disagree with this policy...try a different website. Although, you'll find the same exact policy is enforced elsewhere.
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And improper speculation about a recruit doesn't cause a ripple effect? Improper speculation about anything can cause a ripple effect. I see where you are coming from, i just don't really understand it, i was just stating my opinion.
And improper speculation about a recruit doesn't cause a ripple effect? Improper speculation about anything can cause a ripple effect. I see where you are coming from, i just don't really understand it, i was just stating my opinion.
Should someone state "ISU just signed (player)" and it not be true...that would get yanked from any website as well. There's just not as big of a problem with recruiting discussions as there is with injuries.
It's simple...abide by the rules of whatever site your on. If you don't agree with them, locate a site that better suits your needs.
It's simple...abide by the rules of whatever site your on. If you don't agree with them, locate a site that better suits your needs.
Uhh, how can improper speculation on an injury be worse than improper speculation on recruiting? An injury can be confirmed or denied very easily with no harm done. Recruiting is such a hot topic, with so many rumors out there, it's hard to confirm anything because coaches simply can't confirm or deny anything.
I am not sure why that thread was closed either I guess.
I am not sure why that thread was closed either I guess.
Sheesh...perhaps I should have worded this better.
ANY improper speculation on this site...or any other Cyclone site I am a member of...is not nor ever will be tolerated.
How's that?
ANY improper speculation on this site...or any other Cyclone site I am a member of...is not nor ever will be tolerated.
How's that?
understandable
But there is a thread about Iowas D end that is open and that is purely speculation as well in fact you wrote:
ISUFAN22 said "Yes...that is what the rumor is...yet the word is it will be cleared up soon."
So not to be nit picky but that should be closed too. So is it just rumors to do with ISU? because it was also posted on here about harrison beck before it was final. I;m just trying to see what i can a can't post.
But there is a thread about Iowas D end that is open and that is purely speculation as well in fact you wrote:
ISUFAN22 said "Yes...that is what the rumor is...yet the word is it will be cleared up soon."
So not to be nit picky but that should be closed too. So is it just rumors to do with ISU? because it was also posted on here about harrison beck before it was final. I;m just trying to see what i can a can't post.
Harrison Beck talk was allowed because his mother made it public that he was upset. There was a story on ESPN to back up the claims. And the speculation about Iowa's D didn't have to do with a potentially season changing injury, but instead the fact that Ken Iwebema may have to miss two "very important" games against Montana and Syracuse because of something school related.
The thing that is kind of starting to suck is that this site used to be very open and engaging - which I think is one of the primary reasons for its early success, and now it is starting to become very Dictatorial. It is very frustrating to have a few people quashing threads simply because there is discussion of a potential injury. As far as a damaging 'ripple effect' - what the heck does that mean? If Curvey is injured, then he is injured - if he is not, then the poster's source was mistaken. How does that discussion damage anything? Will Curvey's feelings get hurt that someone thought he was injured in practice? This site was built on Cyclone fans looking for an enjoyable alternative to CN & CR, and the same people jeremy embraced at the beginning are the same people you moderators are now telling "Go somewhere else if you don't like it". Have some tact. As a one-time donor to this site with plans for future donations, I would think that I am helping to fund a site that allows a reasonable amount of free discussion/speculation.
thank you Helgo
Appreciate the input, i totally agree thats why i started this, although yours sounds better, mine was more of a rant. But thanks!
Appreciate the input, i totally agree thats why i started this, although yours sounds better, mine was more of a rant. But thanks!
The speculation on Harrison Beck was pretty much cut in stone when he disappeared from school and missed two key practices. Nebraska was goiung to deep six the young man, especuially after what he did at the spring game as a prima donna.And they would not have cut off our Cyclone sources.
Harrison Beck and Brent Curvy have different implications to the people who run this board.
Let's make a man law: We can speculate about Sooners, Big Reds, Purples, ShowMes, Squakeyes, but tread lightly for Clones.
Injuries are big news, rumors can make big news, offers are only offers. Maybe a policy should be established so Moderator can just say: "See the policy/Notice the new Thread Closing/Beware your language."
Harrison Beck and Brent Curvy have different implications to the people who run this board.
Let's make a man law: We can speculate about Sooners, Big Reds, Purples, ShowMes, Squakeyes, but tread lightly for Clones.
Injuries are big news, rumors can make big news, offers are only offers. Maybe a policy should be established so Moderator can just say: "See the policy/Notice the new Thread Closing/Beware your language."
Look guys, I dont want to have to fight you on this, but I am sure that jeremy has a good reason for why we cant talk about this stuff. You need to trust him.
Jeremy has provided such a great thing here for all cyclone fans to share. What he doesn't recieve in donations, he pays for out of his own pocket for this site. He works tirelessly on this site on top of his full-time job and family. I am proud to call Cyclone Fanatic the website where I get all my Cyclone information and Jeremy has been kind enough to allow us all to take advantage of the information that he has at his disposal for free. If it weren't for Jeremy and this site, I probably wouldn't even know that Craig Brackins has commited yet. Lets stop focusing on the negatives of this site (negatives that every other site shares) and focus on the positives, like the fact that we get premium information for free. You can fight Jeremy tooth and nail over this if you want, but that doesn't change the facts.
Thank yo Jeremy for all that you have done on this site. I am deeply appreciative of your hard work.
The dilema you are having here can simply be answered via one question...
Did Kirk Ferentz address the issue with his defensive lineman? Yes
Had Dan McCarney said anything about a possible injury to Curvey (or any defensive lineman for that matter)? No.
Exactly
I really don't have a problem with what Jeremy deems aceptable or not acceptable, it's his site, he can do what he wants, but to have a moderator tell you to 'go somewhere else if you don't like it' is the type of thing that pushes people away from here regardless of how they feel about the topics removed, etc. I would hope that Jeremy would disapprove of such an ignorant view on how to treat his members.
I really don't have a problem with what Jeremy deems aceptable or not acceptable, it's his site, he can do what he wants, but to have a moderator tell you to 'go somewhere else if you don't like it' is the type of thing that pushes people away from here regardless of how they feel about the topics removed, etc. I would hope that Jeremy would disapprove of such an ignorant view on how to treat his members.
I wouldn't say that if it were not his belief as well. And it is. If you don't like CF...try another site. Same to those that don't like CR & CN...try another site.
Again...a simple fact. No ill-will in it…no hate directed at anyone. Just a fact.
The Helgo & Crooksie26 & TG8N4CY - I agree. I don't post much, just stop in to get the latest scoop and updates on what's going on in Cyclone country as I am unfortunately in Aggie, TU, Tech and Baylor country. I used to be a member of CN & CR but dropped the subcriptions because of the same "dictators" you mention - they cheapen the websites and dicussions. Listen, we are all "arm chair" quarterbacks and isn't the point of these sites for information, speculation, exchanges and opinions? I would advise Jeremy to drop the Moderators as they really serve no purpose, as their opinions or decisions are no better or worse than anyone else.
It's fairly naive of you to assume that a bunch of fans (or enemies of the State) just posting whatever they want without some control is the right way to run a fan forum. Without some moderation the site will erode to the point that any credibility it has or is perceived to have would be non-existent. If you want to opine that Curvey doesn't deserve his scholarship that's one thing - but posting information about him being out for 6 months without any backup is another thing entirely. You assume that the moderators don't have information to the contrary. Really, what is it that you are wanting to post on here that you aren't able to? I don't get why people can't stop to think whether every single thing they hear about our players and teams needs to be immediately pasted up for the world to read. We should protect our own on some level.
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Sorry for not responding to this thread earlier but I actually took the day off of work and spent the entire morning relaxing and didn't log onto the site, the first time I've done that in 6-months
Anyways, here is my response to the criticism regarding threads being closed lately and why that is...
As I have said since I started CF, I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to moderate threads in any way. However, as a site grows and people demand more accurate and timely information, I think it's important to listen to what my sources and the people that be at Iowa State ask of me regarding certain issues or subjects. I have obeyed the wishes of those people on issues that I felt would contribute negatively to the atmosphere of the subject.
Before about a week ago, there were probably only about three or four topics that had been moderated or closed. The reason this week has been very active for moderation is simply because of the issues and topics people are trying to snowball into something completely different than what reality is.
Many of the topics have stated "x" person is injured and out for a game. Then somebody says no, they're out for the year for smoking pot. The next person says something worse, etc. This casts a very bad image on not only Iowa State but especially that player that gets accused of something bad that they never did, and has to live with that stereotype and title for the rest of their time in Ames/Iowa.
I have said all along that I want this site to be very open and very liberal in it's topics and scope. I have to be careful though as people are getting anxious for the seasons to start and want to start topics that are just flat out wrong or inaccurate. A lot of the topics have started off with simple rumors or questions, and that is perfectly fine. The problem is when posters start to respond with making jokes about Iowa players committing rape or other things that cast a bad image on the Cyclone fan base.
My biggest fear, not only this site but the other ISU websites as well, is a simple one. I don't want the topics on ISU related sites to start to resemble those on HawkeyeReport.com. If you have ever taken a look at their "Lounge" it is completely useless and full of hatred and vulgar topics regarding Iowa State and it's fans. To me that casts a very bad image on the University and the fan base that ripples down to potential recruits that surf by the site, or other potential fans.
There have to be some sort of guidelines regarding what can and cannot be talked about on these forums since we do in some way or another represent the University and it's entire fan base. I am always welcome to feedback and suggestions on how things should be run. I will start another thread where we can create the guidelines for the forum going forward. We will stick to what the majority of the users want and hopefully there won't be a need for moderation going forward.
Thanks,
Jeremy
Anyways, here is my response to the criticism regarding threads being closed lately and why that is...
As I have said since I started CF, I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to moderate threads in any way. However, as a site grows and people demand more accurate and timely information, I think it's important to listen to what my sources and the people that be at Iowa State ask of me regarding certain issues or subjects. I have obeyed the wishes of those people on issues that I felt would contribute negatively to the atmosphere of the subject.
Before about a week ago, there were probably only about three or four topics that had been moderated or closed. The reason this week has been very active for moderation is simply because of the issues and topics people are trying to snowball into something completely different than what reality is.
Many of the topics have stated "x" person is injured and out for a game. Then somebody says no, they're out for the year for smoking pot. The next person says something worse, etc. This casts a very bad image on not only Iowa State but especially that player that gets accused of something bad that they never did, and has to live with that stereotype and title for the rest of their time in Ames/Iowa.
I have said all along that I want this site to be very open and very liberal in it's topics and scope. I have to be careful though as people are getting anxious for the seasons to start and want to start topics that are just flat out wrong or inaccurate. A lot of the topics have started off with simple rumors or questions, and that is perfectly fine. The problem is when posters start to respond with making jokes about Iowa players committing rape or other things that cast a bad image on the Cyclone fan base.
My biggest fear, not only this site but the other ISU websites as well, is a simple one. I don't want the topics on ISU related sites to start to resemble those on HawkeyeReport.com. If you have ever taken a look at their "Lounge" it is completely useless and full of hatred and vulgar topics regarding Iowa State and it's fans. To me that casts a very bad image on the University and the fan base that ripples down to potential recruits that surf by the site, or other potential fans.
There have to be some sort of guidelines regarding what can and cannot be talked about on these forums since we do in some way or another represent the University and it's entire fan base. I am always welcome to feedback and suggestions on how things should be run. I will start another thread where we can create the guidelines for the forum going forward. We will stick to what the majority of the users want and hopefully there won't be a need for moderation going forward.
Thanks,
Jeremy
kberyldial - understood and agree that some control is needed, but I would ask, were is the "backup" that the moderator(s) are indeed credible? Just becuse they post a lot, comment on every posting makes them credible? Readers know that Jeremy has credible sources and reporting and is EXTREMELY actuarate and infomative. Not so sure that some of the moderators have gained such a reputation - quite a few have. A "there are no facts being reported anywhere that this is true or has anything be released by the department" .... is an easy stop to a unfounded rumor, but to react as one reader suggested as "dictatorial" to a posting or follow up posting is also another thing entirely. Those type of reactions or comments such as "find another site" I think actually erodes credibility of the forum.
