Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[blackuniforms]

Talk about delusional….

Iowa is top 15-ish in terms of athletic revenue, and historically a top 25-30 program in both football and basketball. You can pretend that Iowa and Iowa State are equals all you want, but it isn’t even close to being true.

Nobody f##king cares. You just proved him right about Iowa fans though.

If OSU and Michigan were to leave that revenue will dry up in a hurry. This is what worries me as an Iowa fan.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

My biggest concern is what would be the reaction or benefit of adding Kansas and Iowa State to the Big Ten? The SEC adds two bluebloods to their already insanely strong conference and the Big Ten's response would be to add Kansas and Iowa State? I don't actually think the Big Ten needs to expand right away and would have time to evaluate their options. They know we're not going anywhere. With how much the Big Ten is making, would we be just another mouth to feed? Could the Big Ten be eyeing an ACC team like Virginia and North Carolina and be willing to wait until their GOR expires? I know college football today isn't what it used to be, but remember, they stayed at 11 teams for 21 years and missed out on all the revenue they could've made that entire time with a conference championship game until they felt they had a 12th team they thought would be a good addition. Could the Big Ten want to actively expand but only with national brands in new markets? Maybe make themselves a more national brand of a conference? As crazy as it sounds, any chance they think a couple west coast schools would be interested in forming their own superconference, such as Oregon, USC, Washington and Colorado? All would be new markets, all are AAU with excellent academics, all could likely intrigue the big ten athletically, academically and financially. Those schools could also be interested too with how dysfunctional their conference has been and how low their revenue distributions have been, making less than the Big 12 and ACC.

Don't get me wrong, Iowa State would compete fine in the Big Ten and geographically makes perfect sense, but that doesn't always matter. I think for us to get into the Big Ten, afew things might need to happen:
1) Big Ten decide they want to expand and not willing to wait until 2036 for a potential ACC addition.
2) The Big Ten doesn't pursue west coast teams and the top west coast teams don't approach the Big Ten. With how much of a pay increase it'd be and a competitive conference, financially I think schools might be interested but with how many Olympic sports the Pac-12 has, that could be brutal if California and Oregon schools were flying to Pennsylvania, Maryland and New Jersey for week day swimming, track, volleyball, etc. matches.

Guess we'll just have to wait and hope for the best and pray Pollard is able to navigate us through this.

You are correct, the Big 10 doesn't HAVE to do anything, but you are wrong in thinking that either KU or ISU is just going to sit on the sidelines and wait for the Big 10 to make a decision. If this falls through I am sure KU will be talking to the ACC, a league that fits their basketball culture more than the football culture of the Big 10.
For ISU, the plan is simple, if this falls through then you get with OSU, TT, and KSU and try to make a deal with the Pac 12.

The real question is "does the Big 10 want to wait until 2030 to 2035 to try and get the UV and UNC's of the world to move to them without any sort of guarantee that is will happen?" Every year they wait, the SEC gets stronger, more money per school and before long Ohio St., Penn. St. and Michigan are going to want more money.

 

[NorthCyd]

You are correct, the Big 10 doesn't HAVE to do anything, but you are wrong in thinking that either KU or ISU is just going to sit on the sidelines and wait for the Big 10 to make a decision. If this falls through I am sure KU will be talking to the ACC, a league that fits their basketball culture more than the football culture of the Big 10.
For ISU, the plan is simple, if this falls through then you get with OSU, TT, and KSU and try to make a deal with the Pac 12.

The real question is "does the Big 10 want to wait until 2030 to 2035 to try and get the UV and UNC's of the world to move to them without in sort of guarantee that is will happen?" Every year they wait, the SEC gets stronger, more money per school and before long Ohio St., Penn. St. and Michigan are going to want more money.

Yeah, if B1G has any desire to take on teams they will have to move fast. Schools aren't going to sit around and wait for them to make up their mind.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Yeah, if B1G has any desire to take on teams they will have to move fast. Schools aren't going to sit around and wait for them to make up their mind.

One reason for adding Iowa State and Kansas (or any other two teams) is that 16 teams with 4 pods of 4 teams is easier to schedule and rotate schedules than 14 teams.

As for West Coast teams and the B1G, not a chance. The West Coast teams don't want to travel so far all the time, and the B1G is a Midwestern Conference at heart. It took a LONG time to accept Penn State, and I think the B1G has serious buyer's remose about Maryland and Rutgers.

I think adding two Midwestern AAU schools to the mix is just right and will sit well with most of the B1G rank and file.

Hope it happens!

 

[blackuniforms]

I know it's been floated, but if this has been posted, I'll remove it:
B12 merging with another conference?

I do hope this works out for the Clones. It would put them in a division on par with the lowly Big10 West.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Yeah, if B1G has any desire to take on teams they will have to move fast. Schools aren't going to sit around and wait for them to make up their mind.

We saw this 10 years ago when OU and UT was floating the idea of going to the Pac 12, Mizzou realized if this goes down, they were going to be left out of the picture and started to work towards moving out of the conference on their own. They approached the Big 10 first, but when they offered Nebraska, the leaned on the SEC to take them as well as aTm, and they moved.

ISU and KU do not want to be in situation waiting for the Big 10 to make a decision, KSU, OSU, TT and somebody else cuts a deal to move to the Pac 12, and before we know it, the Big 10 says "we are going to wait a few years", then we are screwed.

 

[Beyerball]

Talk about delusional….

Iowa is top 15-ish in terms of athletic revenue, and historically a top 25-30 program in both football and basketball. You can pretend that Iowa and Iowa State are equals all you want, but it isn’t even close to being true.

iowa is not a historical Top 25 b-ball program... hell no..

Past 30 years Iowa b-ball has not been better than ISU.. fball yea agree..

 

[Brodie0]

iowa is not a historical Top 25 b-ball program... hell no..

Past 30 years Iowa b-ball has not been better than ISU.. fball yea agree..

List of AP all-time Top 100 college basketball programs

The Associated Press has been ranking the best teams in college basketball since January 1949. Over 68 years and more than 1,100 polls, a total of 200 schools have been ranked and 59 of them have been ranked No. 1 (Saint Louis was the first No. 1).

www.espn.com

 

[BCClone]

I do hope this works out for the Clones. It would put them in a division on par with the lowly Big10 West.

Yeah, I’m not excited about the comp. maybe we can petition for the east. At least the CCG would get us OSU on a semi regular basis.

 

[SECyclone]

Talk about delusional….

Iowa is top 15-ish in terms of athletic revenue, and historically a top 25-30 program in both football and basketball. You can pretend that Iowa and Iowa State are equals all you want, but it isn’t even close to being true.

LMFAO

 

[dafarmer]

List of AP all-time Top 100 college basketball programs

The Associated Press has been ranking the best teams in college basketball since January 1949. Over 68 years and more than 1,100 polls, a total of 200 schools have been ranked and 59 of them have been ranked No. 1 (Saint Louis was the first No. 1).

www.espn.com

Try the last 25 years for basketball,

 

[BCClone]

List of AP all-time Top 100 college basketball programs

The Associated Press has been ranking the best teams in college basketball since January 1949. Over 68 years and more than 1,100 polls, a total of 200 schools have been ranked and 59 of them have been ranked No. 1 (Saint Louis was the first No. 1).

www.espn.com

1949. There is another truth about Hawkeye fans. They live in the past. Lol.

 

[Beyerball]

My biggest concern is what would be the reaction or benefit of adding Kansas and Iowa State to the Big Ten? The SEC adds two bluebloods to their already insanely strong conference and the Big Ten's response would be to add Kansas and Iowa State? I don't actually think the Big Ten needs to expand right away and would have time to evaluate their options. They know we're not going anywhere. With how much the Big Ten is making, would we be just another mouth to feed? Could the Big Ten be eyeing an ACC team like Virginia and North Carolina and be willing to wait until their GOR expires? I know college football today isn't what it used to be, but remember, they stayed at 11 teams for 21 years and missed out on all the revenue they could've made that entire time with a conference championship game until they felt they had a 12th team they thought would be a good addition. Could the Big Ten want to actively expand but only with national brands in new markets? Maybe make themselves a more national brand of a conference? As crazy as it sounds, any chance they think a couple west coast schools would be interested in forming their own superconference, such as Oregon, USC, Washington and Colorado? All would be new markets, all are AAU with excellent academics, all could likely intrigue the big ten athletically, academically and financially. Those schools could also be interested too with how dysfunctional their conference has been and how low their revenue distributions have been, making less than the Big 12 and ACC.

Don't get me wrong, Iowa State would compete fine in the Big Ten and geographically makes perfect sense, but that doesn't always matter. I think for us to get into the Big Ten, afew things might need to happen:
1) Big Ten decide they want to expand and not willing to wait until 2036 for a potential ACC addition.
2) The Big Ten doesn't pursue west coast teams and the top west coast teams don't approach the Big Ten. With how much of a pay increase it'd be and a competitive conference, financially I think schools might be interested but with how many Olympic sports the Pac-12 has, that could be brutal if California and Oregon schools were flying to Pennsylvania, Maryland and New Jersey for week day swimming, track, volleyball, etc. matches.

Guess we'll just have to wait and hope for the best and pray Pollard is able to navigate us through this.

Has the BIG ever added teams for Power? Rutgers, Maryland? No they haven’t.. and BIG prob won’t add teams for Power this time either.. Even adding USC/UCLA doesn’t add much honestly...USC and UCLA had less viewership per game than ISU did last year.

 

[dafarmer]

ncaa and isu basketball

 

[madguy30]

List of AP all-time Top 100 college basketball programs

The Associated Press has been ranking the best teams in college basketball since January 1949. Over 68 years and more than 1,100 polls, a total of 200 schools have been ranked and 59 of them have been ranked No. 1 (Saint Louis was the first No. 1).

www.espn.com

So things will be fine for the B1G if OSU and Michigan leave, but Illinois and Indiana are still there since they're historically good at basketball?

 

[CascadeClone]

I know it's been floated, but if this has been posted, I'll remove it:
B12 merging with another conference?

This would be well and good as long as you believe that espn isnt driving for a super league. Youd be 4th best but still at the big table.
But if they are doing a super league, then eventually usc and oregon leave and you still end up in the 2nd tier. Which if theres a super league, thats where we end up anyway, so ok.

 

[BCClone]

So things will be fine for the B1G if OSU and Michigan leave, but Illinois and Indiana are still there since they're historically good at basketball?

They can go after St Louis if they need another. Old Herky is so dense he doesn’t see that he is proving the Hawkeye fan stereotypes.

 

[LLCoolCY]

You are correct, the Big 10 doesn't HAVE to do anything, but you are wrong in thinking that either KU or ISU is just going to sit on the sidelines and wait for the Big 10 to make a decision. If this falls through I am sure KU will be talking to the ACC, a league that fits their basketball culture more than the football culture of the Big 10.
For ISU, the plan is simple, if this falls through then you get with OSU, TT, and KSU and try to make a deal with the Pac 12.

The real question is "does the Big 10 want to wait until 2030 to 2035 to try and get the UV and UNC's of the world to move to them without any sort of guarantee that is will happen?" Every year they wait, the SEC gets stronger, more money per school and before long Ohio St., Penn. St. and Michigan are going to want more money.

Summed up perfectly. The rumor last night that the SEC is targeting Mich/OSU/Clemson and FSU I believe was floated to pressure the move now and not let the conferences sit back for the "ideal" teams to target long term.

 

[Brodie0]

So things will be fine for the B1G if OSU and Michigan leave, but Illinois and Indiana are still there since they're historically good at basketball?

Michigan isn’t leaving. A school that considers itself the best public university in the country isn’t going to join a conference with Mississippi State, Arkansas and the like. The cultural fit is horrendous and it is comical that anyone would even think that is a possibility.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

List of AP all-time Top 100 college basketball programs

The Associated Press has been ranking the best teams in college basketball since January 1949. Over 68 years and more than 1,100 polls, a total of 200 schools have been ranked and 59 of them have been ranked No. 1 (Saint Louis was the first No. 1).

www.espn.com

That is a great list, but when it ranks Illinois at 11 and ahead of Mich. St and Ohio St. I have to say its garbage.
By that type of ranking Minnesota appears to have a great football program, but most of it was during WW 1. The only way to rank sports teams is what they have done in the last 25 to 40 years. Nobody cares that Army was a football power 70 years ago, they sure aren't now.

In the last 40 years EIU has won 1 conference title, they have I believe 2 conference tournament titles, and in the past 10 years have been in the NCAA tournament about 50% of the time, never getting past the first weekend.