Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[bphill4isu]

Like many others, I have a lot of questions about private capital. With the initial infusion of cash, is the primary goal of the conference to increase its value by attracting top ACC brands to the league? Or is the main objective to support member institutions through the new revenue-sharing model? Can both be achieved? Additionally, how can the commissioner significantly grow the conference’s value, knowing that RedBird Capital will take 10-15% of future revenue?

 

[FinalFourCy]

That’s not accurate at all. Of 174 professional sports teams Forbes reviewed in 2024, 28 were cash flow negative. And 15 of those were from the MLS.

Dallas Cowboys are world's most profitable sports team with income of US$564m - SportsPro

Top 20 generates US$3.9 billion in profit, with NFL franchises averaging US$143 million in operating income.

www.sportspro.com

At the very least it was a disingenuous statement. I hope it was, anyway, given an AD should know better

It is also possible to have a similar mechanism in college athletics, and I suspect we’ll eventually see it

 

[jbclone10]

The ACC just announced their updated revenue sharing model as well as the updated GoR exit fees amount. Looks like 60% split per a five year rolling viewership (weighted on the more recent viewership), and 40% to be equally split between the members per ESPN.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

The ACC just announced their updated revenue sharing model as well as the updated GoR exit fees amount. Looks like 60% split per a five year rolling viewership (weighted on the more recent viewership), and 40% to be equally split between the members per ESPN.

Most notably, exit fee falls to $75M in 2030. Start the clocks

 

[CycloneT]

Florida St Clemson NC Virginia Miami will all
buyout before it ever the $75M number. Mid Tier ACC schools are all on the clock to get a spot

 

[Al_4_State]

Florida St Clemson NC Virginia will all
buyout before it ever the $75M number. Mid Tier ACC schools are all on the clock to get a spot

They'll end up with us.

 

[jbclone10]

This news does seem like it will accelerate the consolidation process.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Florida St Clemson NC Virginia Miami will all
buyout before it ever the $75M number. Mid Tier ACC schools are all on the clock to get a spot

Why is it a lock to be before?

IMO the timing is dependent on UNC. I don’t think either P2 makes a move without UNC first deciding what they do, and UNC has a spot whenever they want.

And any school on a payout scheme similar to Oregon /UW would benefit waiting until the exit lowers to $75 million. For example, if UNC needs to get NCSt included

 

[FinalFourCy]

The ACC just announced their updated revenue sharing model as well as the updated GoR exit fees amount. Looks like 60% split per a five year rolling viewership (weighted on the more recent viewership), and 40% to be equally split between the members per ESPN.

I’m curious as to whether the terms on dissolution change. Or if the fine print on ESPN’s obligation through 2036 changed.

Needless to say, it would not be good if dissolution is not achievable after schools pay exit fees to leave for P2, and/or ESPN is still committed to paying current rate through 2036 on the rump ACC

A 13 or 12 member ACC sitting on $300 million to $1.2 billion in exit fees, AND an ESPN obligation at current rate is a threat when we’re needing a new deal

ESPN isnt likely to offer the Big 12 more than what it costs to move 6 to 8 Big 12 schools to the ACC, sweetened by the ACC offering some of the exit fees to the first target to jump

 

[2speedy1]

Florida St Clemson NC Virginia Miami will all
buyout before it ever the $75M number. Mid Tier ACC schools are all on the clock to get a spot

It almost always takes a couple years for the process anyway. So in the long run what they can and will do now is go to other conferences with an end date and what that end date will cost etc. Once the number gets to an acceptable position, is when they will plan to move.

With many of the new contracts ending around 2030, I am guessing the talks will start happening, with an eventual plan for them to move in or around that 2030 date, to be moved and part of any new media contracts.

5 years go by too quick these days and I am sure sometime in the next couple years we will have official announcements of several schools moves effective around 2030, give or take.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Why is it a lock to be before?

IMO the timing is dependent on UNC. I don’t think either P2 makes a move without UNC first deciding what they do, and UNC has a spot whenever they want.

And any school on a payout scheme similar to Oregon /UW would benefit waiting until the exit lowers to $75 million. For example, if UNC needs to get NCSt included

If NCST has to be included I don’t think they get a P2 spot.

Also Clemson and FSU are trending in the wrong direction to get asked, next 5 years will be very interesting

 

[Gonzo]

If NCST has to be included I don’t think they get a P2 spot.

Also Clemson and FSU are trending in the wrong direction to get asked, next 5 years will be very interesting

I watch Finebaum's show a little just for laughs and I was surprised to hear that many SEC fans, as well as Finebaum, think NC State is a much better fit for the SEC than UNC.

 

[RustShack]

If NCST has to be included I don’t think they get a P2 spot.

Also Clemson and FSU are trending in the wrong direction to get asked, next 5 years will be very interesting

They don’t have to be included. We’ve heard/seen this many times.

 

[2speedy1]

I watch Finebaum's show a little just for laughs and I was surprised to hear that many SEC fans, as well as Finebaum, think NC State is a much better fit for the SEC than UNC.

Just as an outsider, on the surface I can see that. UNC to me feels more like a B1G style school. Maybe way off in reality, but on the surface I see that. This has nothing to do with their value and product, just how they appear.

 

[Gonzo]

Just as an outsider, on the surface I can see that. UNC to me feels more like a B1G style school. Maybe way off in reality, but on the surface I see that. This has nothing to do with their value and product, just how they appear.

I think they see UNC as snooty academic elites, which they're not necessarily wrong about.

 

[Nolaeer]

as much as id like pitt and louisville for free, i think the big 12 should overpay to get fsu and clemson--miami can go to hell.

If we have to give fsu and clemson a double share, it may be worth it longterm.

Add FSU, clemson, pitt louisville VT, nc state and call it a day. have east heartland and western divisions. let miami and unc gt and uva go to the big.

im not sure the sec takes anyone new, unless they kick out some deadweight like miss state and vandy.

if ou sux for the next 5 years, they could find themselves buying their way back into the big 12.

the big 12 could actually be forced to boot some teams if the schools cant pay the house settlement in full each year.

 

[MugNight]

The SEC scheduling will become so unbalanced you’ll always have 4-6 teams in the 12-0 to 9-3 range. Throw in the affirmative action of preseason rankings, and their place is secure in the CFP.

They don’t have to add anyone. I’m not convinced they’ll add anyone at all, even if the B1G moves south.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The SEC scheduling will become so unbalanced you’ll always have 4-6 teams in the 12-0 to 9-3 range. Throw in the affirmative action of preseason rankings, and their place is secure in the CFP.

They don’t have to add anyone. I’m not convinced they’ll add anyone at all, even if the B1G moves south.

“Affirmative action of preseason rankings” is an all time line, well done

 

[FinalFourCy]

as much as id like pitt and louisville for free, i think the big 12 should overpay to get fsu and clemson--miami can go to hell.

If we have to give fsu and clemson a double share, it may be worth it longterm.

Add FSU, clemson, pitt louisville VT, nc state and call it a day. have east heartland and western divisions. let miami and unc gt and uva go to the big.

im not sure the sec takes anyone new, unless they kick out some deadweight like miss state and vandy.

if ou sux for the next 5 years, they could find themselves buying their way back into the big 12.

the big 12 could actually be forced to boot some teams if the schools cant pay the house settlement in full each year.

How much is it worth to remove the ACC as a peer conference?

A lot, to some Big 12 schools. Not so much to others.

In essence, the Big 12 schools taking less would be paying some of the cost FSU/Clemson face when leaving the ACC, but likely only have them for one deal, before they leave for P2 or join others in a new best-of-the-rest conference

IMO, the BC types basically countered by being willing to take less in order for the ACC to survive the ESPN option last month.

With two peer middle conferences, it’s a race to the bottom between Big 12 and ACC schools in a desperate attempt to avoid being Washington St.

 

[Nolaeer]

How much is it worth to remove the ACC as a peer conference?

A lot, to some Big 12 schools. Not so much to others.

In essence, the Big 12 schools taking less would be paying some of the cost FSU/Clemson face when leaving the ACC, but likely only have them for one deal, before they leave for P2 or join others in a new best-of-the-rest conference

IMO, the BC types basically countered by being willing to take less in order for the ACC to survive the ESPN option last month.

With two peer middle conferences, it’s a race to the bottom between Big 12 and ACC schools in a desperate attempt to avoid being Washington St.

If the big 12 added Clemson, FSU, VT, Pitt, louisville, and NC state wed get 4 auto bids just like the sec and big. also, our tv deal would increase enough to make that payment back. That'd be 22 teams, but i think at least 2 current big 12 teams will drop down a level. not all can pay the house settlement in full every year.