Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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You mean, why did ACC schools vote against it?
Stanford, Cal, and SMU got in, against the wishes of UNC, because the ACC could revenue rape the schools to get CA and TX
Academics may have a little weight left in determining which schools the BIG invites (but clearly not much given Stanford and Cal’s aforementioned predicament)
But determining where a school goes is above the president. Particularly when such an action marginalizes several other state entities. It’s politics. UNC has political cover, if not pressure, to go to SEC with NC St
The SEC with UNC, Texas, UF, Vandy, A&M, Missouri, NC St, and UVa is good enough academically to allow for such moves
Mike Slive once said VT and NC State were worth more to the SEC than FSU and Clemson. How much is adding huge markets like Virginia, North carolina and DC to the SEC network?
Sure, the SEC would prefer UVA and UNC, but if it whiffs on both, does it just sit tight and let the BIG gather all the chips?
I actually think NCST is a dark horse candidate for the SEC as it would be an expansion of the current sate footprint that the SEC resides in.
It is all about what ESPN or Fox is willing to pay.
I'm not sure the BIG or SEC take anyone, even UNC, if no network is willing to pay more.
To me, is the brand of an FSU better than a new market like north carolina or virginia? And NC state and VT have been better at the game of football than UNC and UVA--not that that matters. see rutgers.
I'm not sure the BIG or SEC take anyone, even UNC, if no network is willing to pay more.
To me, is the brand of an FSU better than a new market like north carolina or virginia? And NC state and VT have been better at the game of football than UNC and UVA--not that that matters. see rutgers.
This 100%. NC State doesn't get the respect it deserves in expansion talks. On field success is only part of the equation. When you factor in institutional metrics like enrollment, academic rankings, and university endowment, they fit right in with SEC peers. After all, it's the university Presidents that ultimately sign off on these decisions.
NC State also would probably be an easier add politically then FSU and Clemson as you wouldn't have to worry about pissing off Florida and South Carolina.
All things considered, I think NC State may be the #3 best option for the SEC after UNC/UVA.
Fun -- we've reached the time of year in college sports when random journalists, podcasters, media, ect. spew complete hot garbage about "this team would go to this conference" and "that team would go to that conference". All of this in a bunch of hypothetical, made up in their head, situations that have 0% chance of actually happening.
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Well duh. If the media contract isn’t going to increase no school is being added no matter who they are.
I do think that your question of market is an interesting one but NCST doesn’t exactly bring the market and neither does VaTech in my opinion. Also NCST hasn’t exactly been better then UNC and VaTech has been trash for years now.
I've heard Finebaum discuss this a few times, he believes NC State is probably the best fit for the SEC among potential ACC targets.
I think the media environment has changed a bit since Mike Slive bought the farm 7 years ago.
I agree about value of VA and NC markets to SEC, but it will be subscriptions vs. SECN.
Honestly if you look at the points your making “academic rankings, endowment, etc” they are actually higher then the vast majority of the SEC. They would be 6th academically, and 6th in endowment as well. Take out vandy who doesn’t do revenue sports and they would be top 5. Kinda interesting to compare and weird how far back most SEC schools are in both.
I still don’t think they would go without UNC but I get the point people are making and it has merit
Certainly didn't think much of us during their last football coaching search. Campbell was theirs if they wanted him.
How much did the BIG deal increase when OR and UW were added?
It’s no longer that simple
I think you are conflating a couple different things.
It has been said if the ACC membership drops below a certain number. Then ESPN can renegotiate their deal, keep in mind the GoR is separate from the media deal. They directly work off each other but they are separate, you can negotiate one and not the other. etc.
And also it has been said they need a majority or at least 8 votes to "dissolve" the conference.
Both of these have been widely reported but I have never seen any actual documentation to prove it.
There is also the fact that the ACC told the members that they had a media deal the entire length of the GOR to get them to sign. But in truth they gave ESPN several ways out of their contract without giving them a way out of the GOR at the same time. ESPN can drop or renegotiate their deal in '26, or if the membership drops. This is part of the lawsuit, the ACC never told the members they gave ESPN these outs when they signed their GOR, and then kept the GOR locked down. This is also why the ACC wants to keep any of the court docs from being made public.
I don't believe the SEC has any ownership in SECN.
It will be interesting to see the logistics of the new ESPN, FOX and Warner Bros streaming platform that is supposed to launch this fall. It includes the broad based linear platforms like ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, FS2, TBS, TNT. And it includes all the Conference channels: BTN, ESPN+, SECN & ACCN.
The monthly subscription is speculated to be $40+. If this platform provides larger margins on a subscriber basis, hom much do the 3 parties push sports fans to this platform over cable or multi-channel streamers?
We already have the NCAA Final 4 on TBS vs. CBS. I have a feeling that within the next decade all NCAA and Professional Championships won't be shown on OTA Networks.
While I agree it is not a good look to display said trophy.A jury of his peers said he didn't do it.
Reasonable doubt and everything.
I also can look at it as he was innocent when he won said trophy.
All his crimes and alleged crimes (that he was acquitted for) happened many years after.
I could argue both ways on the subject.
But yes I agree it is a bad look. But also something I really care about.
Now if they did something specific to celebrate him today it would be worse, like electing him to their hall of fame or retiring jersey or something like that, after all the bad stuff has happened, that would be worse. But leaving a trophy he won decades ago before his crimes etc on a the shelf...not really as big of deal. To me anyway.
There is a school of thought his football career indirectly led to the... incident.
CTE has been documented to cause mood swings and violent outbursts.
Like... doing something terrible to your estranged wife.
