Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

isucy86

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We are already seeing a form of paying for play. Nine SEC teams give performance bonuses based on education and i think a few Big 12 teams do the same. Michigan is talking about giving bonuses. BIG 10 and I imagine other power 5 schools pay a stipend.i read somewhere that it was more than $2000 in 2015. It's not hard to imagine the Big 10 making a leap to some sort of outright paying to play to get a jump ahead of the SEC. I have a hard time believing the board of regents separating the athletic department from the university. If they are spun off, protections for women athletics would depend on the good faith of the athletic director, which is in short supply.
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Colleges wouldn't spin off their Athletic Departments. They would spin off teams. If a school spun off its FB or MBB teams, then those programs are independent entities. Title IX wouldn't apply as the 85 football players are no longer university student-athletes. But part of a separate privately owned business. School could charge licensing fee for its name and facility usage. If the Dallas Cowboy franchise is valued at $7 BILLION, how much is Ohio State or Alabama football worth?

I would suspect, you could see Athletic Departments go away if revenue sports were no longer under university control. Olympic sports could become university club sports- similar to hockey at ISU.
 
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Not exactly sure.
I also buy season tickets and I can’t deduct Cyclone Club money. The government stopped that several years ago as you get a “benefit” by donor level…i.e.- your place in line to renew your tickets (or purchase tickets)
Ask curt about this.
 

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Bama and Auburn will move to the East and Mizzou will move to the West

Didn't the SEC already say they're getting rid of divisions?

They're still deciding whether to play 8 conference games with 1 protected rival or 9 games with 3 protected rivals. Both ways would allow a rotation through the entire conference once per 2 years.
 

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If someone can buy a $5,000 blueberry pie at the State Fair fundraiser and deduct it Im deducting my donation to ISU.

*disclaimer - for the last few years I have taken the standard tax deduction instead of itemizing.
I would have no problem deducting the blueberry pie because I hate blueberries. Cherry on the other hand……..
 
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That is 100% not what you are hearing from many AD’s. There are thousands of athletes at some schools to pay them all equally would crush some AD’s if it was any significant amount and if it wasn’t significant then the athletes actually making the money would be pissed that they aren’t getting any real money. Plus the legal issues of this would be chaos. Again if it happened it would be forced not by choice
The problem is, is the way NIL is going it is just a free for all where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It is just what they have been trying to avoid for a century where big booster buy players. And with the way the transfer portal is a free for all now, it is even worse. So places like Texas, OU, OSU, Bama, can buy players.

This could have been avoided, If at some point they would have set up Athletic scholarships to where that minute amount of spending money they include now, actually was a decent amount. Think of something like a set amount per sport, or set amount per semester, or maybe it is set per school, like it pays based on tuition at said university or something like that.

If they would have given a stipend to players of like 10K per year, on top of room, board, schooling etc. The problem is that comes out of the schools budget, and they fought that with everything they had. So in turn the players fought to get it their own way. And these schools are scrambling to figure out how to make it work now.

Then there might not have been a NIL lawsuit.

To fix what we have now, there needs to be limits placed back on transfers. There needs to be rules placed on NIL. There needs to be limits on NIL amounts. But I am afraid the genie is out of the bottle, they are talking about less restrictions instead of more. Which means the big money schools will continue to distance themselves. The transfer portal will get even more insane. And these NIL deals will just be used like pay to play, buying players of the old days.
 

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If Iowa's athletic department ends up bringing in $100 million/year in TV rights money while the general university has had their state appropriation cut drastically over the last couple of decades, it's going to be very interesting to see how their administration balances all that.
 
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Without a doubt, schools are still trying to figure out NIL, but right now, if a person donates to the school, that is tax deductible, but donations to a schools NIL fund are not, until that change is made by the Feds, I think, few schools are going to be pushing that avenue.
I believe it depends here.

You CAN'T deduct donations to Cyclone club.

You can to the University

You can to the Gridiron Club.

You can to the Alumni Association.

You can to the NIL, at least you can to We Will Collective.
 

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Colleges wouldn't spin off their Athletic Departments. They would spin off teams. If a school spun off its FB or MBB teams, then those programs are independent entities. Title IX wouldn't apply as the 85 football players are no longer university student-athletes. But part of a separate privately owned business. School could charge licensing fee for its name and facility usage. If the Dallas Cowboy franchise is valued at $7 BILLION, how much is Ohio State or Alabama football worth?

I would suspect, you could see Athletic Departments go away if revenue sports were no longer under university control. Olympic sports could become university club sports- similar to hockey at ISU.
Totally understand what you are saying. I would say the board of regents would be very reluctant to do that. Also, give me a reason why the federal government wouldn't step in if revenue and scholarships for women would vanish when their sports become "club sports". And don't tell me the schools out of the goodness of their heart would fund women's sports through licensing and facility usage fees. I grant you that the Ohio State football franchise would be worth a lot, probably north of a billion based on the difference of revenue between the NFL and college football. But I can also guarantee you that if Ohio State received a billion dollars to spin off the teams, that money would be either be spent in five years (think what Iowa does when it gets its hands on large settlements), or the state legislature would get its hands on most of it or both.
 

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Colleges wouldn't spin off their Athletic Departments. They would spin off teams. If a school spun off its FB or MBB teams, then those programs are independent entities. Title IX wouldn't apply as the 85 football players are no longer university student-athletes. But part of a separate privately owned business. School could charge licensing fee for its name and facility usage. If the Dallas Cowboy franchise is valued at $7 BILLION, how much is Ohio State or Alabama football worth?

I would suspect, you could see Athletic Departments go away if revenue sports were no longer under university control. Olympic sports could become
The problem is, is the way NIL is going it is just a free for all where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It is just what they have been trying to avoid for a century where big booster buy players. And with the way the transfer portal is a free for all now, it is even worse. So places like Texas, OU, OSU, Bama, can buy players.

This could have been avoided, If at some point they would have set up Athletic scholarships to where that minute amount of spending money they include now, actually was a decent amount. Think of something like a set amount per sport, or set amount per semester, or maybe it is set per school, like it pays based on tuition at said university or something like that.

If they would have given a stipend to players of like 10K per year, on top of room, board, schooling etc. The problem is that comes out of the schools budget, and they fought that with everything they had. So in turn the players fought to get it their own way. And these schools are scrambling to figure out how to make it work now.

Then there might not have been a NIL lawsuit.

To fix what we have now, there needs to be limits placed back on transfers. There needs to be rules placed on NIL. There needs to be limits on NIL amounts. But I am afraid the genie is out of the bottle, they are talking about less restrictions instead of more. Which means the big money schools will continue to distance themselves. The transfer portal will get even more insane. And these NIL deals will just be used like pay to play, buying players of the old days.
Oh no places like Bama, OSU, and Texas can buy players now? Man I bet they are suddenly going to rocket up to the top of the recruiting rankings. This is really going to shake up cfb, I honestly don’t know how it’s going to survive…oh wait…they have been doing that for years…and have always had the best classes before NIL. Honestly NIL is helping to spread that around even more. Those top guys going to A&M over bama, that’s a good thing. Schools like Tenn, Miami, and Arkansas getting more of that talent that would have been consolidated at those top schools is a good thing. We are barely through a year of NIL and we have no idea how long that money is going to flow in for.

The transfer portal as well is just an asset that players have needed for years. It is also in its infancy and players are already realizing that unless they have an amazing destination lined up there is a good chance they will be going to a lesser school or not picked up at all.

***edit: didn’t mean to quote the first post but it screws up the formatting if I try to edit it
 

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Totally understand what you are saying. I would say the board of regents would be very reluctant to do that. Also, give me a reason why the federal government wouldn't step in if revenue and scholarships for women would vanish when their sports become "club sports". And don't tell me the schools out of the goodness of their heart would fund women's sports through licensing and facility usage fees. I grant you that the Ohio State football franchise would be worth a lot, probably north of a billion based on the difference of revenue between the NFL and college football. But I can also guarantee you that if Ohio State received a billion dollars to spin off the teams, that money would be either be spent in five years (think what Iowa does when it gets its hands on large settlements), or the state legislature would get its hands on most of it or both.
You are actually making my point here for why the schools will never pay their players by choice. Well done.
 

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You are actually making my point here for why the schools will never pay their players by choice. Well done.
Nope. I just backed up my point I made before. If you are going to pay, you have to include women's sports. You have trouble in comprehension apparently.
 

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Nope. I just backed up my point I made before. If you are going to pay, you have to include women's sports. You have trouble in comprehension apparently.
That’s the point though. If you have to pay all the athletes any meaningful amount a lot of sports are going to get cut. Add in all the employee rights problems, the insurance problems etc, and that is exactly why you will never see schools willingly do it. Not sure why this is hard for you to grasp here
 

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That’s the point though. If you have to pay all the athletes any meaningful amount a lot of sports are going to get cut. Add in all the employee rights problems, the insurance problems etc, and that is exactly why you will never see schools willingly do it. Not sure why this is hard for you to grasp here
10MM would be around $20k per player in all sports. If you get a 50MM raise, 10 MM isn’t that much.

I am not saying they will or won’t, just that it wouldn’t be that expensive to give a reasonable payment to each.
 

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10MM would be around $20k per player in all sports. If you get a 50MM raise, 10 MM isn’t that much.

I am not saying they will or won’t, just that it wouldn’t be that expensive to give a reasonable payment to each.
Number would be way more then 10mil. A school like Michigan has close to 1000 scholarship athletes, that’s 20mil right there. Plus once a school starts paying them they are employees. That comes with a bunch of other costs which would drive that higher. Now while a school like Michigan could cover that many of these AD’s are in the red and having to pony up 10-30mil per year is going to cause sports cuts. We could certainly see it but like NIL it is going to take a court ruling.
 
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I would suspect, you could see Athletic Departments go away if revenue sports were no longer under university control. Olympic sports could become university club sports- similar to hockey at ISU.

Perhaps an anachronistic view, but my opinion is that organized sports are often a vital opportunity offered by well-rounded educational institutions.

There are no revenue sports at the D-III level, and I’d suspect the same holds at D-II and most if not all “low-major” D-I schools, yet they typically have reasonably diverse athletic departments. The majority of those D-II and D-I schools even offer athletic scholarships.

It is hard to imagine the high-majors couldn’t/wouldn’t continue to offer most of the same sports. I’d ignorantly guess many (if not most) are larger schools with higher revenue and larger endowments than average.
 

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