Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

cyIclSoneU

Well-Known Member
Apr 7, 2016
3,300
4,562
113
I really hope I'm wrong, but said all along that if I were any of the PAC schools, I'd hold tight for now. Guessing nothing happens until off season next year.

I think every day that passes without Colorado/Arizona/Utah joining the Big 12 makes it less likely that they will do so, and more likely that the Pac-10 manages to survive.

I’m hopeful Yormark has a big push left in him to make this official, but even now I’m starting to get more pessimistic. Feels like a coin flip.
 

MLawrence

Well-Known Member
Jan 21, 2010
11,953
4,896
113
35
I think every day that passes without Colorado/Arizona/Utah joining the Big 12 makes it less likely that they will do so, and more likely that the Pac-10 manages to survive.

I’m hopeful Yormark has a big push left in him to make this official, but even now I’m starting to get more pessimistic. Feels like a coin flip.

Yormark probably just wants to make the announcement next week during the Big XII media days. ;)
 

VTXCyRyD

Well-Known Member
Sep 2, 2010
5,638
2,988
113
Honest question here, do you think a ton of isu fans would pay $25 per month to watch their team? Only reason why I ask is people keep pointing out how cheap the fan base is. I have no idea if this is actually true but it is something I see posted regularly in regards to donations and NIL. Obv paying to watch the games is different then those things which is why I ask the question.
I would pay that, as long as it's guaranteed to show every game. None of this, "sorry, you're playing an away game, you need to buy our subscription too." BS.
 

cyIclSoneU

Well-Known Member
Apr 7, 2016
3,300
4,562
113
Can't wait for our Wednesday night MACtion game in Akron, Ohio on ESPN+ in 2025
I think the Big 12 and Pac-10 would both coexist if we didn’t poach them. I doubt they would be able to poach us. Then things would change whenever the ACC got cracked open, and it would be a free for all again. We would at least have a big geographic advantage to adding from the ACC over the Pac-10 at that time. And it’s possible that Oregon/Washington would bail then, too.
 

isucy86

Well-Known Member
Apr 13, 2006
9,131
7,731
113
Dubuque
Honest question here, do you think a ton of isu fans would pay $25 per month to watch their team? Only reason why I ask is people keep pointing out how cheap the fan base is. I have no idea if this is actually true but it is something I see posted regularly in regards to donations and NIL. Obv paying to watch the games is different then those things which is why I ask the question.
The $25 is to watch ESPN. There is industry speculation that at some point Disney could make ESPN exclusive within Disney+ streaming service.

I would pay $25/mo to watch ISU sports. But most likely it would be Big12 sports.

I have been a cable cutter for about 10 years. I originally thought Sling (later Hulu & YouTube) would provide an ala carte alternative to 150+ cable channels at a lower price. That has proved to be a fallacy.

But the ala carte options could be Amazon, Netflix or Disney+ subscription where I buy a Big12 Sports package. Cheaper than paying $75/mo for YouTubeTV or Hulu where I have to pay for 140 channels I don't watch.

Big fan of on-demand TV watching + live sports.
 

FriscoCy

New Member
Mar 6, 2015
9
7
3
60
I say give the 4 or 6 PAC 12 schools an ultimatum. The Big 12 will be the 3rd highest paying conference and that’s as good as it gets. I would also reach out to San Diego State if any of the 4 or 6 balk at the offer. SDSU would jump at the chance to enter Big 12. Good Football, Basketball, decent TV market and more loyal fans than you think.
 

isufbcurt

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2006
27,526
44,482
113
46
Newton
I say give the 4 or 6 PAC 12 schools an ultimatum. The Big 12 will be the 3rd highest paying conference and that’s as good as it gets. I would also reach out to San Diego State if any of the 4 or 6 balk at the offer. SDSU would jump at the chance to enter Big 12. Good Football, Basketball, decent TV market and more loyal fans than you think.
San Diego State? Sorry but our charitable obligations are already full with Cinci, UCF and Houston.
 

besserheimerphat

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2006
11,477
15,320
113
Mount Vernon, WA
The football games I watch right now are ISU, and games whose results may impact ISU. As it is I don't really watch any non-Big 12 games unless there's bowl implications. Take that away and I won't have a reason to watch any games outside the Big 12. Out here in western WA, nobody at work talks about college football. At all. Even during the CFP I have to seek out people who I know are CFB fans (all of whom are Big 12 alums by the way - TTech, Texas, KU, BU and now Cincy).

The network suits think everyone will tune in to watch a B1G/SEC only championship but if the Big12/ACC/PAC-X don't have access I'm not convinced they will. People already complain about too many bowl games and CFP rematches. How does that improve with a smaller "super league?" They are going to fracture the interest, not consolidate it.
 

Jer

CF Founder, Creator
Feb 28, 2006
23,580
23,427
10,030
The $25 is to watch ESPN. There is industry speculation that at some point Disney could make ESPN exclusive within Disney+ streaming service.

I would pay $25/mo to watch ISU sports. But most likely it would be Big12 sports.

I have been a cable cutter for about 10 years. I originally thought Sling (later Hulu & YouTube) would provide an ala carte alternative to 150+ cable channels at a lower price. That has proved to be a fallacy. But the ala carte options could be Amazon, Netflix or Disney+ subscription where I buy a Big12 Sports package. Cheaper than paying $75/mo for YouTubeTV or Hulu where I have to pay for 140 channels I don't watch.

Big fan of on-demand TV watching + live sports.

Not to derail the thread, but I think the hope for ala carte was always a fantasy. Streaming companies had to start cheap and be creative to steal people from cable/DTV, but that was always going to be as short-lived as it took to get a foothold.

Now they are the cable companies or DirecTV in just about every way. To maximize their potential revenue, they're going to continue to slowly increase prices to the point it's no longer a net positive. They're going to keep trying to show maximum value by including a bunch of channels nobody wants so they can say they have more channels than XYZ provider.

They may also have ala carte options like adding a whole set of networks (i.e. Hulu has an addon I have to subscribe to for my Discovery channels), a suite of sports networks, etc but that will be the exception and require the larger bulk base package. As ESPN, Fox, etc get into bigger deals, that cost will funnel to the streaming companies just like it did cable/DTV - it will either be in big sports packages or the base package... most likely a mix of both.

While we still pay less than the $250/mo we did on DirecTV, it adds up quickly when you look at our subs ($85/mo for Hulu, $20/mo for Netflix, $10/mo for Apple TV+, Discovery+, HBO Max, and Disney+).
 

FriscoCy

New Member
Mar 6, 2015
9
7
3
60
San Diego State? Sorry but our charitable obligations are already full with Cinci, UCF and Houston.
Trying to understand your point? SDSU matches up very well historically in sports to ISU and a bigger TV market.

Consistently top 25 in football and basketball. Brand new football stadium they no longer share with the Chargers.

Provide some facts….
 
  • Haha
Reactions: 2speedy1 and 06_CY

KidSilverhair

Well-Known Member
Dec 18, 2010
11,023
21,666
113
Rapids of the Cedar
www.kegofglory.blogspot.com
I think every day that passes without Colorado/Arizona/Utah joining the Big 12 makes it less likely that they will do so, and more likely that the Pac-10 manages to survive.

I’m hopeful Yormark has a big push left in him to make this official, but even now I’m starting to get more pessimistic. Feels like a coin flip.

It feels like the best time to jump on the opportunity was right away, and it feels like we needed an announcement last night or this morning. Grabbing the Mountain 4 would have driven a stake in the PAC right away, but if that’s not happening right away, well … That doesn’t necessarily mean things aren’t gonna happen, but that’s the feeling.

If the PAC holds together, the Big 12 should be fine for now. As I said in another post, I’d be pretty disappointed if a USC/UCLA-less PAC was somehow able to garner a better media deal than the Big 12, though, as that just makes zero sense.

Now, if/when the B1G comes back for Oregon, or Washington, or Stanford, the PAC can’t survive that.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: BCoffClone125

isufbcurt

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2006
27,526
44,482
113
46
Newton
Trying to understand your point? SDSU matches up very well historically in sports to ISU and a bigger TV market.

Consistently top 25 in football and basketball. Brand new football stadium they no longer share with the Chargers.

Provide some facts….

San Diego State hasn't been relevant since Marshall Faulk. My point is the Big 12 needs to go after name schools this time and not glorified city community colleges, **** it up this time it'll probably be the last chance.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KidSilverhair

SCNCY

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Sep 11, 2009
10,687
8,501
113
37
La Fox, IL
Not to derail the thread, but I think the hope for ala carte was always a fantasy. Streaming companies had to start cheap and be creative to steal people from cable/DTV, but that was always going to be as short-lived as it took to get a foothold.

Now they are the cable companies or DirecTV in just about every way. To maximize their potential revenue, they're going to continue to slowly increase prices to the point it's no longer a net positive. They're going to keep trying to show maximum value by including a bunch of channels nobody wants so they can say they have more channels than XYZ provider.

They may also have ala carte options like adding a whole set of networks (i.e. Hulu has an addon I have to subscribe to for my Discovery channels), a suite of sports networks, etc but that will be the exception and require the larger bulk base package. As ESPN, Fox, etc get into bigger deals, that cost will funnel to the streaming companies just like it did cable/DTV - it will either be in big sports packages or the base package... most likely a mix of both.

While we still pay less than the $250/mo we did on DirecTV, it adds up quickly when you look at our subs ($85/mo for Hulu, $20/mo for Netflix, $10/mo for Apple TV+, Discovery+, HBO Max, and Disney+).

I think the intention was good to start. But the problem is that the companies that own then networks/content began to force streaming companies to take the whole package. If you wanted ESPN, you had to take the whole Disney lineup.