Yeah, the GOR does expire but that won’t prevent political pressure being applied in OR and WA to prevent relegation of those schools. Like UCLA, both Oregon and Washington face the prospect of sharing their future payouts with the other state flagships if both get relegated. And I doubt anyone in the college athletic administration space really wants blood on their hands for being the primary decision maker(s) for their relegation destruction.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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So you are saying that Washington won't have political pressure to do everything they can to assist Washington State?
They might, but so far, that political pressure is just for the airwaves. I'd be interested to see what happens in California, but again, if history repeats itself, it'll just be talk.
Has history really repeated itself?
When in history has a large state school been "demoted" by a conference break up?
Oklahoma's BOR voted many years ago to allow the individual school presidents to make athletic conference decisions. So Oklahoma leaving from Oklahoma State doesn't count.
OU regents give David Boren authority to act on conference talks
Regents voted Monday to give University of Oklahoma President David Boren the authority to negotiate future OU athletic alliances - including the possibility that the school will leave the Big
Also, the Southwest Conference breakup doens't count either. All public schools had "landing spots." TCU, Rice, SMU, Houston...these were all small private universities back in 1991. And we all know the political backroom dealings that happened to ensure the state schools and a private school had a landing spot.
I mean are they really being demoted? The conference itself is obviously losing fire power which will kill off a power conference essentially, but Wazzu and Oregon State aren't going to the MWC. They're going to stay in the Pac 12 and the Pac 12 will have to make the correct moves no different than the Big 12 has had to make moves over the last 10 years in order to stay at P5 status.Has history really repeated itself?
When in history has a large state school been "demoted" by a conference break up?
Oklahoma's BOR voted many years ago to allow the individual school presidents to make athletic conference decisions. So Oklahoma leaving from Oklahoma State doesn't count.
OU regents give David Boren authority to act on conference talks
Regents voted Monday to give University of Oklahoma President David Boren the authority to negotiate future OU athletic alliances - including the possibility that the school will leave the Bigtulsaworld.com
Also, the Southwest Conference breakup doens't count either. All public schools had "landing spots." TCU, Rice, SMU, Houston...these were all small private universities back in 1991. And we all know the political backroom dealings that happened to ensure the state schools and a private school had a landing spot.
It's essentially the same thing that happened with OSU and Texas leaving last year. No one knew what was going to happen to our conference as a whole or the remaining teams. Say ISU, OSU, Kansas and KSU were all rumored to go to the ACC last year, that would put a school like TTU in the same boat as Wazzu and Oregon State right now and the legislature wouldn't have been able to do anything.
UConn had risen up to join the Big East and was a casualty of realignment. And maybe Cincinnati too, right? Neither of those programs have the history or football gravitas that Wazzu & Oregon St. have but I think technically they qualify...Has history really repeated itself?
When in history has a large state school been "demoted" by a conference break up?
Oklahoma's BOR voted many years ago to allow the individual school presidents to make athletic conference decisions. So Oklahoma leaving from Oklahoma State doesn't count.
OU regents give David Boren authority to act on conference talks
Regents voted Monday to give University of Oklahoma President David Boren the authority to negotiate future OU athletic alliances - including the possibility that the school will leave the Big
Also, the Southwest Conference breakup doens't count either. All public schools had "landing spots." TCU, Rice, SMU, Houston...these were all small private universities back in 1991. And we all know the political backroom dealings that happened to ensure the state schools and a private school had a landing spot.
Meh, I'm not sure they count either. Uconn wasn't even FBS until the late 90's.
Also, their AD was on record saying they might drop football. LOL
Cinncy has never been considered a "Power 5" school.
With TCU already in Big12, the SMU to Big12 talk makes very little sense. Any adds go forward by the Big12 need to expand our footprint. Same can be said for Rice with our addition of Houston. One weakness of the current Big12 is it's 10 schools in 5 states.
In 2025 the only G5 schools that makes sense for Big12 would be SDSU and maybe Boise State if the Big12 adds 4-6 Pac12 schools. Otherwise its a waiting game if the ACC gets poached by the SEC & Big10. I even think the ship has sailed on Memphis State as ACC schools like Pitt, Louisville, Va Tech would be better options for the Big12
I guess I didn't see much political pressure in Iowa or Kansas ten years ago when it looked like KSU and ISU could be left out in the cold. I don't see anything going on to try and help OSU with OU leaving. And ultimately I don't think California is going to do anything to UCLA either. I think we tend to overestimate the likelihood of political influence here just due to our history with Baylor slipping in to the B12. But that is really looking like the outlier and not the rule.
IMO this argument might gain some media buzz in California, but I don't see that happening in Oregon & Washington. Especially, due to the fact that Big10 would never consider OSU & WSU. Pretty hard for OR & WA politicians to pressure Big12 to take OSU & WSU, when Oregon & Washington are targeted for Big10.
I have a tough time believing the Commissioners in Big10, SEC or Big12 are losing sleep over the relegation of any current P5 school. They can always blame TV Execs for saying the relegated schools don't have enough value. After all this capitalist America and not socialist North Korea
I really hope so! I’ve missed the buzz, so please share…I’d appreciate some good news.
I think the Big12 is too smart at this point to add anymore G5 schools. Only reason the first 4 were added was to keep the conference from imploding. Having 33% of the conference being former G5 schools already isn’t a great look, it should be P5 schools or nothing for any future expansion.
I’m at the point where I don’t want the Big 12 to expand, purely because our path to the playoff is easier with less teams in the conference. But seeing the B12 eat up the 4 corner schools would be so glorious to see Mandel and the PAC12 media eat crow so I’m rooting for expansion
Never understood the SDSU love and still don't. Adding a 5th G5 school would be a huge mistake. I am not 100% convinced any Pac schools move with the playoff opening up the way it has but either way no more G5.
There's no reason to be even looking at them.
If it makes us more money, then I am completely on board.
In 2010 The Iowa BOR requested that the University of Iowa president do everything they could to do to get Iowa State a spot in the Big 10. That is an example of in-state political pressure. This info was from the infamous Gordon Gee Ohio State booster meeting audio that leaked, and not some message board rumor. That was the same audio were Gordon Gee said (In reference to ND): "You just can't trust those damn Catholics."
That is type of pressure I'm talking about.
So.. token efforts?
Everyone knew that the Iowa president had no leverage there and wasn't going to mount a serious effort.
