Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[ClubCy]

All those teams will have a bye week during the season, how many are going to pass on a chance to play ND to fill that week? No one said it would be easy to fill out their schedule, but teams like BYU did it and they aren't ND. Difficult yes, but not impossible, plus the B12 would take them in a moment under the same type of deal that the ACC offered them, play 5 conference games each season and all their other sports. The B10 and SEC I doubt would take that deal, but the B12 would.

I’m not sure your grasping at how different the college football landscape will be starting this year. Conference schedules and media power will bolster SOS going forward for the P2. No reason to play ND or anyone in the ACC or Big 12 to be honest. I think these first 2 years will be a trial period and we will find out how the committee weighs things and teams will schedule accordingly going forward.

I find it very hard to believe ND could fill out a decent schedule past week 4 given the landscape going forward.

Josh Pate hinted yesterday on his podcast that if a 9-3 Big 12 team upset a higher ranked team and won the conference championship and got the auto bid and took a spot away from a 9-3/10-2 SEC/Big10 team they will just change the criteria in their favor to get more of their teams in. Ex: elimination of auto bids.

The 12 team playoff wasn’t designed for more inclusion and more parity. It was made by the networks and Sankey and Pettiti to maximize the amount of teams they can get in and to make as much money as possible. That’s not from me it’s from the #1 college football podcast in America.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

I’m not sure your grasping at how different the college football landscape will be starting this year. Conference schedules and media will power will bolster SOS going forward for the P2. No reason to play ND or anyone in the ACC or Big 12 to be honest. I think these first 2 years will be a trial period and we will find out how the committee weighs things and teams will schedule accordingly going forward.

I find it very hard to believe ND could fill out a decent schedule past week 4 given the landscape going forward.

Teams will always be willing to play ND, because they are ND. SOS and the rest of it will go out the window. What fan base would not be excited knowing they are playing ND the coming year? Do you really think ISU would pass on playing ND a couple of times because of their strength of SOS is already good enough or EIU? Hell those teams would jump at the chance and so would most teams, and they would be willing to switch a non conference game from the front of the schedule to do it.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Teams will always be willing to play ND, because they are ND. SOS and the rest of it will go out the window. What fan base would not be excited knowing they are playing ND the coming year? Do you really think ISU would pass on playing ND a couple of times because of their strength of SOS is already good enough or EIU? Hell those teams would jump at the chance and so would most teams, and they would be willing to switch a non conference game from the front of the schedule to do it.

The problem is fitting those games into a conference schedule. Outside of USC ND doesn’t play P3 competition after the first 4ish weeks. They play ACC competition and USC. Yeah they can fill the gap with Navy and other one off non power programs but that schedule will be rough to manage.

They will really only get the teams that aren’t worried about taking another loss later in the season. It’s just not worth the risk for teams with an eye on the playoff.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I’m not sure your grasping at how different the college football landscape will be starting this year. Conference schedules and media power will bolster SOS going forward for the P2. No reason to play ND or anyone in the ACC or Big 12 to be honest. I think these first 2 years will be a trial period and we will find out how the committee weighs things and teams will schedule accordingly going forward.

I find it very hard to believe ND could fill out a decent schedule past week 4 given the landscape going forward.

Josh Pate hinted yesterday on his podcast that if a 9-3 Big 12 team upset a higher ranked team and won the conference championship and got the auto bid and took a spot away from a 9-3/10-2 SEC/Big10 team they will just change the criteria in their favor to get more of their teams in. Ex: elimination of auto bids.

The 12 team playoff wasn’t designed for more inclusion and more parity. It was made by the networks and Sankey and Pettiti to maximize the amount of teams they can get in and to make as much money as possible. That’s not from me it’s from the #1 college football podcast in America.

I think your part about eliminating auto-bids is an extreme stretch. 100% agreed it’s not designed for parity, it’s college football after all. But no one really cares about the record of the teams representing the conferences. If a 9-3 team was the best the Big12 had as an example and they were conference champions then that would most likely be a 1 or 2 bid max year sadly

 

[1SEIACLONE]

The problem is fitting those games into a conference schedule. Outside of USC ND doesn’t play P3 competition after the first 4ish weeks. They play ACC competition and USC. Yeah they can fill the gap with Navy and other one off non power programs but that schedule will be rough to manage.

They will really only get the teams that aren’t worried about taking another loss later in the season. It’s just not worth the risk for teams with an eye on the playoff.

So B12 makes the same deal, and instead of playing 5 ACC games they play 5 B12 games. ND may chose to join a conference like the B10 or SEC, but they will not be forced into it. They are ND and have plenty of money. Unless you think the B12 would not accept ND for 5 conference games and their other sports, but a league that wants media attention would jump at the idea of adding ND to the league for 5 guaranteed games a season.

 

[Al_4_State]

MHver is far more well sourced than Swaim, but he’s not on Jason Scheer’s level

 

[scyclonekid]

 

[ClubCy]

I think your part about eliminating auto-bids is an extreme stretch. 100% agreed it’s not designed for parity, it’s college football after all. But no one really cares about the record of the teams representing the conferences. If a 9-3 team was the best the Big12 had as an example and they were conference champions then that would most likely be a 1 or 2 bid max year sadly

My example was more of a 9-3 team beat a 12-0 team and both would go to the playoffs thus “stealing a bid” from the SEC. I didn’t elaborate enough that’s my bad. That’s the scenario Pate was making.

I think if the ACC get destroyed it’s literally going to be the P2 vs the Big 12 at that point. They will get what they want and the Big 12 will have no say. Something drastic will have to happen but they would 100% push for no auto bids.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

My example was more of a 9-3 team beat a 12-0 team and both would go to the playoffs thus “stealing a bid” from the SEC. I didn’t elaborate enough that’s my bad. That’s the scenario Pate was making.

I think if the ACC get destroyed it’s literally going to be the P2 vs the Big 12 at that point. They will get what they want and the Big 12 will have no say. Something drastic will have to happen but they would 100% push for no auto bids.

If the ACC is destroyed that would help not hurt the B12, because now the B10 and SEC are already calling all the shots, and the B12 and ACC are picking up the scraps. Get rid of the ACC and then more will flow to the B12. As long as either the B12 or ACC are around, they will get playoff berths.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

So B12 makes the same deal, and instead of playing 5 ACC games they play 5 B12 games. ND may chose to join a conference like the B10 or SEC, but they will not be forced into it. They are ND and have plenty of money. Unless you think the B12 would not accept ND for 5 conference games and their other sports, but a league that wants media attention would jump at the idea of adding ND to the league for 5 guaranteed games a season.

Totally agree with that but would ND want to set up that arrangement with the Big12? If they didn’t then in a way they could be forced but that’s a big if.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

My example was more of a 9-3 team beat a 12-0 team and both would go to the playoffs thus “stealing a bid” from the SEC. I didn’t elaborate enough that’s my bad. That’s the scenario Pate was making.

I think if the ACC get destroyed it’s literally going to be the P2 vs the Big 12 at that point. They will get what they want and the Big 12 will have no say. Something drastic will have to happen but they would 100% push for no auto bids.

Sadly it already is the P2 just dictating things, if you think the other conferences have a say then I’m not sure where they have spoke up.

In your scenario that’s still only 2 schools likely getting in from the Big12 which was the autobid situation that was proposed but was eventually not approved. So I really don’t see that being an issue at all since it’s what the SEC originally put on the table

 

[ClubCy]

Sadly it already is the P2 just dictating things, if you think the other conferences have a say then I’m not sure where they have spoke up.

In your scenario that’s still only 2 schools likely getting in from the Big12 which was the autobid situation that was proposed but was eventually not approved. So I really don’t see that being an issue at all since it’s what the SEC originally put on the table

First of all, I genuinely like most of your posts but sometimes your posts just scream I’m in the P2 I know more than you poor folk. But I still like you around here regardless.

Yes I know the auto bid proposal that was shot down. Don’t have to lecture me on that . 4/4/2/2 or whatever it was. That was the P2 saying “If you want auto bids then this what we want” obviously that was shot down but when sourced people in the know who are podcasting from a ballroom at the SEC media days is saying “this is what is going to happen if XYZ happens I have it on good authority” then I tend to believe them over a poster from Michigan who can’t decide with state school he roots for.

Sorry if that was rude, we do like you around here.

 

[ClubCy]

Teams will always be willing to play ND, because they are ND. SOS and the rest of it will go out the window. What fan base would not be excited knowing they are playing ND the coming year? Do you really think ISU would pass on playing ND a couple of times because of their strength of SOS is already good enough or EIU? Hell those teams would jump at the chance and so would most teams, and they would be willing to switch a non conference game from the front of the schedule to do it.

You think JP would sign up for a neutral site or away game with ND plus have Iowa on the schedule?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

First of all, I genuinely like most of your posts but sometimes your posts just scream I’m in the P2 I know more than you poor folk. But I still like you around here regardless.

Yes I know the auto bid proposal that was shot down. Don’t have to lecture me on that . 4/4/2/2 or whatever it was. That was the P2 saying “If you want auto bids then this what we want” obviously that was shot down but when sourced people in the know who are podcasting from a ballroom at the SEC media days is saying “this is what is going to happen if XYZ happens I have it on good authority” then I tend to believe them over a poster from Michigan who can’t decide with state school he roots for.

Sorry if that was rude, we do like you around here.

Hahaha all good, also I don’t decide I went to both so I root for both. Didn’t mean for it to come off as a lecture you’ve been around for all the realignment talk so obv you know about the proposal but was just throwing it in for people that didn’t know.

For the record I really am not a fan of autobid outside the champions, takes way too much of the drama out of it

 

[Cydkar]

i give him more credit than Swaim but i don't disagree with you.

I give my left pinky more credit than Swaim.

 

[Cloneon]

Unless conferences start to go to 10 or 11 conference games for football, there are plenty of dates for teams to play ND each season. Looks like ND offers 13 varsity sports, it would be easy for them to join the Big East, currently at 11 teams, mostly catholic schools to get them to 12. If the ACC goes up in flames there are going to be a number of teams looking to join a new conference, so teams like Stanford, Cal, SMU, and others will be looking for games to play along with ND. Just playing the left over schools from the ACC would fill out at least half the ND football schedule.

My post was more directed at resume building wins. Of course, people will want to play ND. But because of the growing impact of $$$ in CFP, the elites will want less OOC risk. Again, just birds eye opinion.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Totally agree with that but would ND want to set up that arrangement with the Big12? If they didn’t then in a way they could be forced but that’s a big if.

If they value being an independent in football as much as they say they do, then why would it matter that they are playing B12 teams rather than ACC teams? As I said before, ND will not be forced to join a conference that they do not want to be in, and your B10 arrogance is showing if you think that the B10 can just do whatever they want and teams will do as they are told.
ND has their own TV deal, plenty of wealthy boosters and they do not need the tv money like other schools do, if they join a conference, its because its in their best interest to do so. Hell they have a built in path to the playoffs, no other team has such an arrangement in all of college football.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

You think JP would sign up for a neutral site or away game with ND plus have Iowa on the schedule?

A couple times a decade, I sure do think ISU and many other teams would jump at the chance to play ND. Hell WV played 12 P4 schools last year and are doing it again this season playing both Pitt and Penn State.

 

[CloneLawman]

i give him more credit than Swaim but i don't disagree with you.

Flugaur, on the other hand, has proven pretty darn credible.

 

[Clonehomer]

My post was more directed at resume building wins. Of course, people will want to play ND. But because of the growing impact of $$$ in CFP, the elites will want less OOC risk. Again, just birds eye opinion.

Disagree. Now that bowls are irrelevant, the overall record doesn’t matter as much for teams like ISU. Get a chance at a good opponent to prepare for the conference season which is what matters.

For teams that have an eye on the playoffs, you don’t have to be perfect anymore to get in. So big wins OOC will be more valuable than an overall record IMO. It’s a popularity contest, so getting that big win early will put your name on TV and people will talk about you. That’s more important than a spotless record. And if you lose, then you’ll still have a shot through the conference season.