Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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IMO, no, Texas would have always wanted more than everyone else, which would have just caused the same problems with Nebraska and OU. Maybe Nebraska wouldn't have been so quick to jump ship, but they never were going to get along with Texas. The one thing I will say nice about the Big 10, is so far, they have shown they care about The conference as a whole. That may change, but so far it's been about raising the conference, not let's see how much we can grab for ourselves.

I don't think they will blow up the SEC like they almost did with the Big 12, but in the not so distant future, they will cause problems in the SEC. Texas can't stand to consider themselves equal to anyone, let along second fiddle. And if they do somehow become the top dog, you better be sure Texas will make sure everyone in the SEC knows it.

Texas has massive wieght to throw around but the SEC wont care.
 
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Yep, the Big 12 most likely sticks together and pulls FSU and Clemson if that network would have been approved.
Not sure that's true. If A&M, UT, NU & OU were against the conference network- why would FSU have wanted a conference network? The Big12 big brands wanted to own their own tier rights. And at the time (around 2010) Clemson was a muddling program.

Over the last decade+, the Big12 has typically had the 3rd highest media rights payout per school without a Conference Network. Sure having a conference network was the priority from 2010-2020. But conference networks have never been where the big $$$ are in media deals. Its network and ESPN linear games. Not so much the BTN, SECN or ACCN.

And go forward, IMO technology will make a linear network obsolete. Much more flexibility with a platform like ESPN+. There is no constraint on inventory levels or game times.
 

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Oh their is no doubt, I give it 2 years.
What's funny, is there's nowhere else to go. Or will they be the ones to push unequal revenue sharing? Whatever they do, I'm just glad it's no longer in the B12. I feel badly for OK. I'm guessing they get relegated quicker than TX.
 

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Not sure that's true. If A&M, UT, NU & OU were against the conference network- why would FSU have wanted a conference network? The Big12 big brands wanted to own their own tier rights. And at the time (around 2010) Clemson was a muddling program.

Over the last decade+, the Big12 has typically had the 3rd highest media rights payout per school without a Conference Network. Sure having a conference network was the priority from 2010-2020. But conference networks have never been where the big $$$ are in media deals. Its network and ESPN linear games. Not so much the BTN, SECN or ACCN.

And go forward, IMO technology will make a linear network obsolete. Much more flexibility with a platform like ESPN+. There is no constraint on inventory levels or game times.
FSU signed on for the ACCN.

3 conferences with networks in partnership with ESPN or Fox have not lost any members up to this point (B10, ACC, SEC). So the point being made is that a B12 Network would have more than likely kept B12 membership together instead of the attrition that did occur. And that network would have generated far more T3 revenues for all schools except for UT/LHN.

And while the % of captive linear households has decreased, conference networks still generate a decent $ amount from linear and are readily morphed into a non-linear offer as demand dictates.
 

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Not sure that's true. If A&M, UT, NU & OU were against the conference network- why would FSU have wanted a conference network? The Big12 big brands wanted to own their own tier rights. And at the time (around 2010) Clemson was a muddling program.

Over the last decade+, the Big12 has typically had the 3rd highest media rights payout per school without a Conference Network. Sure having a conference network was the priority from 2010-2020. But conference networks have never been where the big $$$ are in media deals. Its network and ESPN linear games. Not so much the BTN, SECN or ACCN.

And go forward, IMO technology will make a linear network obsolete. Much more flexibility with a platform like ESPN+. There is no constraint on inventory levels or game times.
I am saying that if a Big 12 network would have been started it would have strengthened the conference to a point where FSU and Clemson or Miami would have wanted to join.
 

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Implying quite a bit here. It's probably just minor lawsuit progress for FSU & Clem.

But let's just pretend for a minute its Yormark using PE to pry FSU, Clem, Miami, Duke, VT and NCST to join the Allstate 12. (Since UNC & UND are joining the B1G, naturally, and SEC is holding pat because ESPN has enough inventory already)
 

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Implying quite a bit here. It's probably just minor lawsuit progress for FSU & Clem.

But let's just pretend for a minute its Yormark using PE to pry FSU, Clem, Miami, Duke, VT and NCST to join the Allstate 12. (Since UNC & UND are joining the B1G, naturally, and SEC is holding pat because ESPN has enough inventory already)
That would be great. But FSU, Clemson aren't doing this to make a big conference with all Big 12 teams. If they can't get into the Big 10 or SEC, a new ACC would be their next goal to eliminate dead weight. They could try to entice some Big 12 teams such as Colorado, Utah, OSU, Houston/Texas Tech, Kansas, ISU.
 
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Implying quite a bit here. It's probably just minor lawsuit progress for FSU & Clem.

But let's just pretend for a minute its Yormark using PE to pry FSU, Clem, Miami, Duke, VT and NCST to join the Allstate 12. (Since UNC & UND are joining the B1G, naturally, and SEC is holding pat because ESPN has enough inventory already)
You’ve got 4 of 6 correct. I’m guessing, like you, something to do with the lawsuit progress. I do fully expect FSU and Clemson to announce their intentions to leave pretty soon.
 
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Keep in mind, prior to 2005-06, the SEC was not perceptually considered the powerhouse it is today. The BCS passed up LSU for OU vs USC in 2003.

There are 4 interrelated things that propelled the SEC to where it is in today’s perceptual map.
  1. Tim Tebow, Urban Meyer, and Florida gain a ton of exposure due to their personas and success. They win the 2006 title
  2. Alabama hired Nick Saban in 2007
  3. ESPN (likely due to the first two factors) signs (at the time) and unprecedented contract with the SEC for 15-years (unheard of at the time) for $2 billion (by far the highest total at that point in time)
  4. The SEC parlays Florida, Saban, and the ESPN contract to the next 7 national championships and 13 of the next 18
From there, eyes start wandering
Actually, LSU made the BCS Championship Game at the expense of #01 ranked USC (AP and Coaches Polls) in the 2003 season. I think Saban going to LSU in 2000 and winning the BCS Championship in 2003 was more important than when he went to Alabama in 2007. If he would have stayed at LSU (insted of going to the Dolphons), the Tigers might have double digit National Championships by now.
 

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FSU signed on for the ACCN.

3 conferences with networks in partnership with ESPN or Fox have not lost any members up to this point (B10, ACC, SEC). So the point being made is that a B12 Network would have more than likely kept B12 membership together instead of the attrition that did occur. And that network would have generated far more T3 revenues for all schools except for UT/LHN.

And while the % of captive linear households has decreased, conference networks still generate a decent $ amount from linear and are readily morphed into a non-linear offer as demand dictates.
Or, it could go like the Pac-12 network did...
 

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Or, it could go like the Pac-12 network did...
I believe it would have went that way, mainly because of the conference model we had. No matter how much money was coming in, UT, OU, aTm and Nebby were not going to play nice with the rest of us. Each one would have always wanted more of the pie and it would have caused distrust among the members. What made the Big 10 successful was their willingness to grow the public perception of the conference as opposed to boosting a few member schools.
 

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I believe it would have went that way, mainly because of the conference model we had. No matter how much money was coming in, UT, OU, aTm and Nebby were not going to play nice with the rest of us. Each one would have always wanted more of the pie and it would have caused distrust among the members. What made the Big 10 successful was their willingness to grow the public perception of the conference as opposed to boosting a few member schools.
Wasn’t it more like those 4 couldn’t play nice with each other?
 

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Actually, LSU made the BCS Championship Game at the expense of #01 ranked USC (AP and Coaches Polls) in the 2003 season. I think Saban going to LSU in 2000 and winning the BCS Championship in 2003 was more important than when he went to Alabama in 2007. If he would have stayed at LSU (insted of going to the Dolphons), the Tigers might have double digit National Championships by now.
Oh you’re right! Sorry, I was getting that year confused with the following year when the BCS took a 12-0 OU over 12-0 Auburn. But my point still remains, considering in 2003 the voters awarded USC the AP national title
 
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Wasn’t it more like those 4 couldn’t play nice with each other?
Yeah, that’s why I said each one was going to want more. It wasn’t about the conference, it was about Nebraska or Texas, etc. they didn’t care about promoting the conference, only themselves. The Big 12 may have had the tv channel idea first, but the Big 10 got the model right of supporting all members.
 
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Implying quite a bit here. It's probably just minor lawsuit progress for FSU & Clem.

But let's just pretend for a minute its Yormark using PE to pry FSU, Clem, Miami, Duke, VT and NCST to join the Allstate 12. (Since UNC & UND are joining the B1G, naturally, and SEC is holding pat because ESPN has enough inventory already)


A still image didn’t do much for me tbh :)
 
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