Rashad Vaughn - Not going to ISU

[twocoach]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

I can see Vaughn going to about 5 different schools. Anyone want to argue aimlessly with me? I can guarantee that if you do choose to argue with me that it will have zero impact on Vaughn's decision.

None of the 879 PAGES of comments here will affect where he goes. It doesn't stiop it from being an interesting conversation.

 

[State43]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

Just one man's opinion. KU would be the best spot for him if a spot is open for him there.

Of course you do, you are a jhawk fan. Name one thing KU would have to offer him that ISU wouldn't?
Playing time? ISU has more to offer
Showcase his skillset? No advantage, both would get equal exposure on tv and one can argue with less egos, ISU would be better set to let him be front and center.
Superior Coach? I would say a draw. KU obviously has won the conference an insane amount of times but when you continuously have more talented guys than any coach in the league, that accomplishment is lessened a bit.
ISU has been competitive with everyone in the league
So help me out here, what does KU offer that ISU doesn't?

 

[Cydkar]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

I agree ti is highly unlikely, but Joel's father is very insistent that he is fully prepared before he leaves. They have money, so they aren't worried about that. Embiid;s father is allegedly doing a lot of research into how well players do in the NBA after leaving after one year versus staying a bit longer for additional training and preparation. Embiid still has a lot of holes in his game. He really has no consistent jump shot to speak of and he needs to put on about another 20+ pounds. they are not rushing him AT ALL. I think this research is wise on their part. I have long argued that players would be best served int he long run to stay in college for about three years and be ready to make an immediate impact on the NBA when they get there year one. If they sit on the bench their first two years, they aren't able to develop enough and haven't achieved enough to earn a big pay day when their capped rookie contract ends. If you are desperate for the money (McLemore last year) then by all means go. If you aren't, it's best to get as ready as possible in college before you jump so that you can have the most earning power. the rookie contract is capped. It's that 2nd contract that is the one that can be the serious money. Like I said, I expect him to go to the NBA, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he stays another year. Just a feeling I have from the conversations going around KU. We'll see.

Cool story.

 

[Cydkar]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

None of the 879 PAGES of comments here will affect where he goes. It doesn't stiop it from being an interesting conversation.

It was interesting until a couple of pages ago.:smile:

The only things I find interesting is when people say he will or he won't go here or there. By "interesting" I mean "stupid".

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

Maybe you haven't watched KU play much these days...

Wait, didn't you just saying Green and White will not compete with Vaughn? Sounds like things are petty rigid at KU imo.

 

[twocoach]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

Of course you do, you are a jhawk fan. Name one thing KU would have to offer him that ISU wouldn't?Playing time? ISU has more to offerShowcase his skillset? No advantage, both would get equal exposure on tv and one can argue with less egos, ISU would be better set to let him be front and center.Superior Coach? I would say a draw. KU obviously has won the conference an insane amount of times but when you continuously have more talented guys than any coach in the league, that accomplishment is lessened a bit.ISU has been competitive with everyone in the leagueSo help me out here, what does KU offer that ISU doesn't?

1) Playing time --> KU has the same amount available if Selden leaves. 2) Showcase --> ISU has 18 of their games on national tv this year. Kansas has 24. Most of ISus national games are ESPN2 or ESNPu. Most of KU's are ESPN or CBS. Plus, KU plays bigger non-con games that put more eyes on TV than what ISU plays. KU played Duke, Villanova, @Colorado, @Florida, Georgetown, San Diego State and New Mexico. The Duke game at the Champions Classic was in front of 68 NBA scouts and executives for EVERY NBA franchise. ISU played Michigan, @BYU and Iowa. 3) Superior Coach --> Hoiberg is an excellent coach from a pure x's and o's perspective but he isn't getting guys to the NBA in droves and he does not have the coaching staff behind him to support him. Plus, KU has far and away the best training staff in college basketball. Coach Hudy is seen as the leader in the profession and their weight facilities and equipment are absolutely cutting edge. . It doesn't matter if you think Self's accomplishments are lessened because he always has great talent. He always has great talent because great talent wants to play for him.4) Competitiveness --> ISU has been competitve with everyone in the league. KU has won the league 9 years in a row. Does that help?

 

[twocoach]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

Wait, didn't you just saying Green and White will not compete with Vaughn? Sounds like things are petty rigid at KU imo.

Does Kane compete with Niang for minutes even though they both play around the perimeter? You can't be serious, are you?

 

[cmjh10]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

1) Playing time --> KU has the same amount available if Selden leaves. 2) Showcase --> ISU has 18 of their games on national tv this year. Kansas has 24. Most of ISus national games are ESPN2 or ESNPu. Most of KU's are ESPN or CBS. Plus, KU plays bigger non-con games that put more eyes on TV than what ISU plays. KU played Duke, Villanova, @Colorado, @Florida, Georgetown, San Diego State and New Mexico. The Duke game at the Champions Classic was in front of 68 NBA scouts and executives for EVERY NBA franchise. ISU played Michigan, @BYU and Iowa. 3) Superior Coach --> Hoiberg is an excellent coach from a pure x's and o's perspective but he isn't getting guys to the NBA in droves and he does not have the coaching staff behind him to support him. Plus, KU has far and away the best training staff in college basketball. Coach Hudy is seen as the leader in the profession and their weight facilities and equipment are absolutely cutting edge. . It doesn't matter if you think Self's accomplishments are lessened because he always has great talent. He always has great talent because great talent wants to play for him.4) Competitiveness --> ISU has been competitve with everyone in the league. KU has won the league 9 years in a row. Does that help?

Because he doesnt have multiple top 20 guys every year. He has had tremendous success with above average talent. I think that shows he is the superior coach.

 

[twocoach]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

It was interesting until a couple of pages ago.:smile:The only things I find interesting is when people say he will or he won't go here or there. By "interesting" I mean "stupid".

How about "I BELIEVE" that if Selden goes to the NBA that Vaughn will most likely go to Kansas. Is that more agreeable to your delicate constitution?

 

[Dingus]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

Vaughn could plausibly end up at any of the final schools without much surprise. I'm not willing to bet against any school.

Whether he goes to KU probably depends at least in part to whether he sees Oubre going to KU as positive (talented teammate, friend (?), etc.) or negative (competition for minutes, shots, prestige). Only he likely knows the answer to that. Also to whether Seldon stays, which I assume he will.

 

[Let's Go State]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

Did we sign him yet?

 

[ISUTex]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

I agree ti is highly unlikely, but Joel's father is very insistent that he is fully prepared before he leaves. They have money, so they aren't worried about that. Embiid;s father is allegedly doing a lot of research into how well players do in the NBA after leaving after one year versus staying a bit longer for additional training and preparation. Embiid still has a lot of holes in his game. He really has no consistent jump shot to speak of and he needs to put on about another 20+ pounds. they are not rushing him AT ALL. I think this research is wise on their part. I have long argued that players would be best served int he long run to stay in college for about three years and be ready to make an immediate impact on the NBA when they get there year one. If they sit on the bench their first two years, they aren't able to develop enough and haven't achieved enough to earn a big pay day when their capped rookie contract ends. If you are desperate for the money (McLemore last year) then by all means go. If you aren't, it's best to get as ready as possible in college before you jump so that you can have the most earning power. the rookie contract is capped. It's that 2nd contract that is the one that can be the serious money. Like I said, I expect him to go to the NBA, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he stays another year. Just a feeling I have from the conversations going around KU. We'll see.

That McGary dude from Michigan disagrees.

 

[Cydkar]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

How about "I BELIEVE" that if Selden goes to the NBA that Vaughn will most likely go to Kansas. Is that more agreeable to your delicate constitution?

Considering that it makes much more sense than what you stated earlier, yes. My pointing out stupid things doesn't make my constitution delicate. It just makes me observant and smart.

 

[twocoach]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

Because he doesnt have multiple top 20 guys every year. He has had tremendous success with above average talent. I think that shows he is the superior coach.

I hate to break it to you, but this is the first year that Self has ever gotten multiple Top 20 players. He has made his living coaching up guys ranked in the 30-75 range. I am using the ESPN rankings here because it's all I have access to right now. Here's all the players in the ESPN Top 100:2014: #3 Cliff Alexander, #10 Kelly Oubre2013: #1 Wiggins, #6 Embiid, #14 Selden, #46 Frankamp, #47 Greene, 2012: #35 Ellis, #48 White2011: #49 McLemore, #86 Tharpe2010: #5 Selby (barely played due to suspension/injuries)2009: #3 Henry (OAD), #28 Elijah Johnson, #40 Thomas Robinson2008: #434 Jeff Withey (recruited by Arizona, transferred to KU) #56 Quintrell Thomas, #62 Travis Releford, #86 Tyshawn Taylor2007: #13 Cole Aldrich, #77 Tyrel Reed

 

[twocoach]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

Vaughn could plausibly end up at any of the final schools without much surprise. I'm not willing to bet against any school.Whether he goes to KU probably depends at least in part to whether he sees Oubre going to KU as positive (talented teammate, friend (?), etc.) or negative (competition for minutes, shots, prestige). Only he likely knows the answer to that. Also to whether Seldon stays, which I assume he will.

Like I said, I would much rather have a second year of Selden.

 

[twocoach]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

That McGary dude from Michigan disagrees. [/I]

You never know. Getting that dealt with now might work out for the best in the long run. Brandon Rush was headed to the NBA until he blew out his knee in a pickup game. He returned to KU, won a national title and was drafted higher than he was originally projected. Maybe a full year of rehab and strength work helps his overall readiness, who knows?

 

[Dingus]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

This argument is stupid. Vaughn will (in all likelihood) succeed whichever school he chooses. Arguing which school he 'should' go to is silly. I think ISU has a good chance because I think it would be a very good choice for him for multiple reasons. Other schools have big things going for them as well (not least of which is greater 'name appeal'.

The biggest strike against ISU is simply not being a blue-blood school with an extensive track record. Everything else stacks up pretty well.

 

[Cydkar]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

This argument is stupid. Vaughn will (in all likelihood) succeed whichever school he chooses. Arguing which school he 'should' go to is silly. I think ISU has a good chance because I think it would be a very good choice for him for multiple reasons. Other schools have big things going for them as well (not least of which is greater 'name appeal'.

The biggest strike against ISU is simply not being a blue-blood school with an extensive track record. Everything else stacks up pretty well.

All this.

 

[twocoach]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

This argument is stupid. Vaughn will (in all likelihood) succeed whichever school he chooses. Arguing which school he 'should' go to is silly. I think ISU has a good chance because I think it would be a very good choice for him for multiple reasons. Other schools have big things going for them as well (not least of which is greater 'name appeal'.The biggest strike against ISU is simply not being a blue-blood school with an extensive track record. Everything else stacks up pretty well.

It's not a stupid argument at all. I agree with you that ISU has a good chance to get Vaughn. Like I said, I think it will come down to ISU and Kansas.

 

[Dingus]

Re: Rashad Vaughn

Like I said, I would much rather have a second year of Selden.

Selden's had games where he was great, others where he seemed to disappear. Unless he becomes much more consistent as the season progresses it seems like he certainly should stay. An extra year can do wonders for some players.

Besides, in some ways SG is the hardest position to secure a high draft pick. PGs, C, and the very best wing guys always seem to be most of the lottery picks.