Prohm gets a B from CBS Sports...

[CyclonesRock]

Interesting read on coaches that were hired 4 years ago...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...grading-2015s-biggest-hires-four-years-later/

 

[jsb]

Only two coaches ahead of him in that group.

Shaka getting a C+ seems high.

 

[bosco]

Bit harsh, I'd say B+.

 

[mb7299]

Reading that you get a pretty good picture how recruiting rankings dont mean a lot beyond the very top ranked teams/kids. Its just tough winning with underclassmen.

 

[Cyched]

Yikes

“I'll probably never forget what Mullin said after St. John's lost in the Big East Tournament this past March. With his team on the bubble, he opted not to lobby for St. John's to even make the field, then admitted his players needed a break from each other.”

 

[Doc]

Bit harsh, I'd say B+.

Agree. And Rick Barnes deserves an A.

 

[CloneSt8]

Did not mention B12 Tournament Championship this year. Or at least not that I noticed.

 

[Rural]

Did not mention B12 Tournament Championship this year. Or at least not that I noticed.

That’s now an object of derision in some quarters.

 

[NATEizKING]

Where my cry babies at?

 

[Cyclonepride]

I think B is fair, though I would go B+.

 

[NoCreativity]

I'll give him a B-, teetering on the brink of a C+ if this spring recruiting cycle bombs. The writer obviously didnt take into account the state of the programs when each of these coaches were hired.

I would give Smart an F, and Hurley a D, when you have 4 straight recruiting classes ranked that high they should be competing for a PAC 12 championship and making it into the real tournament, not the first four.

I wonder how Iowa State compares to the other teams on this list in developing 4 year players? Solomon is the only player who has been here all 4 recruiting cycles now. Im not sure you can sustain a program with only one 4 year high school player in 5 years.

 

[madguy30]

I'll give him a B-, teetering on the brink of a C+ if this spring recruiting cycle bombs. The writer obviously didnt take into account the state of the programs when each of these coaches were hired.

I would give Smart an F, and Hurley a D, when you have 4 straight recruiting classes ranked that high they should be competing for a PAC 12 championship and making it into the real tournament, not the first four.

I wonder how Iowa State compares to the other teams on this list in developing 4 year players? Solomon is the only player who has been here all 4 recruiting cycles now. Im not sure you can sustain a program with only one 4 year high school player in 5 years.

Yeah he totally should have had Morris, Niang and Co. just leave the program so he could stock up on 4 year guys.

 

[NoCreativity]

Yeah he totally should have had Morris, Niang and Co. just leave the program so he could stock up on 4 year guys.

I'll give you Niang and Nader's senior year, those were still under Hoibergs recruiting cycle.

I'll even give you 2016-2017 since we had 4 senior starters even though thats a terrible excuse. Prohm had plenty of time to recruit for that year and they still had plenty of bench minutes for guys coming in that year as freshman. He could have easily found some guys like Thomas/Naz who were stuck behind a bunch of seniors their freshman year, but then really developed their sophomore and junior years.

If you project out the roster for the 2020 season they will have exactly one guy again, Terrance Lewis. So in 6 years they would have had exactly 2 guys make it through as seniors, Solomon Young who is a solid player, and Terrance Lewis who hasn't done much so far. Not good as far as sustaining program success.

Most people think of Hoiberg as Transfer U, but most of his success was built on the backs of high school players, Ejim, Niang, Morris, Naz, Thomas.

 

[NorthCyd]

B sounds about right. He has not advanced the program at all. Kept it about where it was when he got it. He had one down year but I think it's understandable that there would be a blip in recruiting with a new coaching staff.

The next few years will be interesting. He has full ownership of the program and the players in it now. It was a decent year last year, but it's hard not to be somewhat concerned about the play of the team. They definitely seemed to play less than the sum of their parts.

 

[brokenloginagain]

I give Prohm an A. NO ONE wanted to follow Hoiberg at ISU. That's a tougher starting point than anybody on that list.

3 NCAAs and a s16 in 4 years given our history? Pretty (*&^#$% good.

 

[spitfyr36]

Most people think of Hoiberg as Transfer U, but most of his success was built on the backs of high school players, Ejim, Niang, Morris, Naz, Thomas.

I give you all except Thomas, he really didnt do much until his junior/senior year. And he only had Monte for 2 years as well
His legacy was indeed built on the back of transfers

Also you kind of make it out like a bad thing that Prohm brought in a One-and-done in THT and 2-and-done with Wiggs. If anything I think that helps his recruiting

 

[mdk2isu]

I give Prohm an A. NO ONE wanted to follow Hoiberg at ISU. That's a tougher starting point than anybody on that list.

3 NCAAs and a s16 in 4 years given our history? Pretty (*&^#$% good.

Agree with everything in this post except giving him an A. B to B+ seems about right. There are things that could be improved but overall, keeping the program at the same level it was when he arrived is no small feat.

 

[mdk2isu]

I'll give him a B-, teetering on the brink of a C+ if this spring recruiting cycle bombs. The writer obviously didnt take into account the state of the programs when each of these coaches were hired.

I would give Smart an F, and Hurley a D, when you have 4 straight recruiting classes ranked that high they should be competing for a PAC 12 championship and making it into the real tournament, not the first four.

I wonder how Iowa State compares to the other teams on this list in developing 4 year players? Solomon is the only player who has been here all 4 recruiting cycles now. Im not sure you can sustain a program with only one 4 year high school player in 5 years.

I'm actually surprised you are giving him above an average grade. Given all the $#!^ you talk about how much of a failure he is, I'd have guessed a D at best from you. I wonder how teams like Kentucky compare to other teams at developing 4 year players? Oh, they have guys leave early for the draft too so it doesn't give the full picture? What a BS metric to use.

 

[NorthCyd]

I give Prohm an A. NO ONE wanted to follow Hoiberg at ISU. That's a tougher starting point than anybody on that list.

3 NCAAs and a s16 in 4 years given our history? Pretty (*&^#$% good.

You're crazy. He was handed a roster that almost guaranteed 2 years of success. Yes, following Hoiberg was a tough position to be in from a fan expectation point, but no way was that a tougher starting point than anyone else on that list.

 

[madguy30]

I'll give you Niang and Nader's senior year, those were still under Hoibergs recruiting cycle.

I'll even give you 2016-2017 since we had 4 senior starters even though thats a terrible excuse. Prohm had plenty of time to recruit for that year and they still had plenty of bench minutes for guys coming in that year as freshman. He could have easily found some guys like Thomas/Naz who were stuck behind a bunch of seniors their freshman year, but then really developed their sophomore and junior years.

If you project out the roster for the 2020 season they will have exactly one guy again, Terrance Lewis. So in 6 years they would have had exactly 2 guys make it through as seniors, Solomon Young who is a solid player, and Terrance Lewis who hasn't done much so far. Not good as far as sustaining program success.

Most people think of Hoiberg as Transfer U, but most of his success was built on the backs of high school players, Ejim, Niang, Morris, Naz, Thomas.

Morris flirted with the draft so almost wasn't a 4 year guy.

Naz was a surprise to get where he did as much as he has been with sticking in the NBA a bit.

Pretty sure Thomas actually thought of leaving while Fred was there.

Ejim was a McD recruit and also a surprise.

Niang's best year was under Prohm and was probably a year he was a real leader.

And do you not want Haliburton? Do we know Griffin's future?

And do you really think it's 'easy' to just find guys like Naz and Thomas who are unknowns?

I'm personally erring on the side of caution for this year as I think it's when we really see what Prohm's vision for his program is--one thing I've not been impressed with is I don't feel like there's a real identity present.

But let's see how it plays out. Lots of coaches are possibly finding out that the one and done thing may not be the best bet since COACH K can't even meet expectations with multiple legit 1st rounders on a roster and Prohm may need to look for more of the stability guys than the THTs that play like they have one foot out the door half the season. Tons of coaches with tons of years of experience are having to adapt to the times since the way recruiting and pro prospects are changing all the time.