Plane crash #2 January 2025

CyCoug

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You are talking small single engine Cessna type planes or even smaller. Not a LearJet type craft.

There is a huge difference from a single engine piston Cessna, and a private jet class aircraft.

Saying this happens regularly or often is a major exaggeration.
The one I’m thinking on the freeway was a bombardier jet. Granted that’s one anecdotal experience and I have no idea of the stats. So I’m not disputing that it is uncommon.

But I hear of non-passenger crashes with some regularity vs a commercial crash which is exceedingly rare.
 
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I said small planes crash all the time. What part is my exaggeration? Cessnas carry 4-5 people. This one was carrying 6
There is a huge difference between these 2 types of aircraft, the maintenance, and pilot qualifications, that you are lumping together. And even then it doesnt happen "all the time"

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There is a huge difference between these 2 types of aircraft, the maintenance, and pilot qualifications, that you are lumping together. And even then it doesnt happen "all the time"

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My friends dad’s plane carried 8. Small planes crash a lot. They just do. This one is amplified by it hitting a mall and the plane crash the other day.
 

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My friends dad’s plane carried 8. Small planes crash a lot. They just do. This one is amplified by it hitting a mall and the plane crash the other day.
I dont care how many it carries. Lumping a small single piston engine type craft together with a twin engine jet is ridiculous. As I said the ownership, maintenance, and pilot qualifications are not even close, let alone the planes themselves.

An 8 passenger bush plane going down in Alaska is far different than a Learjet in Philly.

This was not some private citizen, flying his buddies around or out for a joy ride with barely enough flight hours to qualify.
 

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Part 121 is your traditional commercial airline aviation.
Part 135 are charter flights. A lot of the "private jet" type flights are probably in this category, but individual owners flying their own jets (i.e. not Wheels Up, NetJets, or similar outfits) would be in the GA category.

Sure "all the time" is a bit hyperbolic, but at the same time fair relative to the insane safety of a part 121 airline operation. I'd be curious to see a similar dashboard for highway accidents nationally.

 
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I follow several ATC instagram accounts and it was shocking to me, at first, how often there are emergency landings.

And fatal crashes on smaller planes happen, I wouldn’t say often, but not nearly as big a story as obviously a commercial airline crash. Just this month alone, before the DC crash, there were fatal crashes on Jan 25 and Jan 2nd.

Granted those weren’t LearJets, but there are fatal crashes of smaller aircraft at least once a month.
 

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Just boarded a flight at DSM. Probably shouldn’t have opened this thread.
Sad no doubt, but approximately 300 people will die from drivers texting in 2025 as well as approximately 30,000 people this year from distracted drivers. Flying is much safer with data to back it. Getting to the airport safely is another matter. Prayers for the passengers.
 

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Very few bizjets crash like a tomahawk missle. Lots of runway overruns and such tho.

This feels like a major structural failure to me, the HSTA broke or something like that. Or else the pilot just decided he couldnt take life anymore...

We sell a lot of Learjet parts to a lot of small corporate flight opns. Scary week.
 

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Theres some unreal and horrifying footage of this from people who were close to the debris field on X
 

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Sad no doubt, but approximately 300 people will die from drivers texting in 2025 as well as approximately 30,000 people this year from distracted drivers. Flying is much safer with data to back it. Getting to the airport safely is another matter. Prayers for the passengers.
For the record, I posted from on board the plane not as I was driving to DSM.
 
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I agree with the posters saying something is off. I’m not a pilot or anything, but the angle and speed at which that happened is really weird. I mean…even if the engines stall, I’d assume the pilot could bring it in at a more shallow angle. The videos look like a movie “pilot passed out on the yoke” type dive.
 
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I agree with the posters saying something is off. I’m not a pilot or anything, but the angle and speed at which that happened is really weird. I mean…even if the engines stall, I’d assume the pilot could bring it in at a more shallow angle. The videos look like a movie “pilot passed out on the yoke” type dive.
Would it though if you lost speed? I'd think it would sink like a rock unless you were high enough to really glide it down. I know nothing about this crash but generally when you lose air speed on takeoff aren't you ****** if you don't have some altitude to regain speed? I always think about Air France 447 where the pilots got disoriented and had no clue idea they had even stalled the plane and didn't even realize they were basically falling straight down. How do you not feel that at least some? I realize this is almost certainly not even close to the same situation.
 
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Would it though if you lost speed? I'd think it would sink like a rock unless you were high enough to really glide it down. I know nothing about this crash but generally when you lose air speed on takeoff aren't you ****** if you don't have some altitude to regain speed?
Lost speed? I guess I’m considering the aerodynamics of a plane, particularly the wings. Just a loss of speed wouldn’t cause a plane…single engine, private jet, 747, whatever…to hit the ground at that speed or angle, would it? I’d actually think the opposite. I’m honestly asking, because I don’t know, but to the untrained eye, the velocity defies just gravity and drag, in my opinion.
 
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Lost speed? I guess I’m considering the aerodynamics of a plane, particularly the wings. Just a loss of speed wouldn’t cause a plane…single engine, private jet, 747, whatever…to hit the ground at that speed or angle, would it? I’d actually think the opposite. I’m honestly asking, because I don’t know, but to the untrained eye, the velocity defies just gravity and drag, in my opinion.
Aren't they speculating some type of stall? Look at Air France 447?
 
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Lost speed? I guess I’m considering the aerodynamics of a plane, particularly the wings. Just a loss of speed wouldn’t cause a plane…single engine, private jet, 747, whatever…to hit the ground at that speed or angle, would it? I’d actually think the opposite. I’m honestly asking, because I don’t know, but to the untrained eye, the velocity defies just gravity and drag, in my opinion.
Yeah, an uncontrolled aircraft could drop that fast.
 
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Yeah, an uncontrolled aircraft could drop that fast.
The most dangerous part of any flight is take off or approach because of the stall. If you rotate and stall at under 1000 feet youre screwed. That's why bird strikes are so dangerous. The same on the last few miles of approach. You are already low and have reduced speed so much for landing that if you stall you're not gonna glide it in. The Miracle on the Hudson only went well because he's gained enough altitude and speed before the stall to at least glide it into the river. Apparently Kansas City is one of the worst in the country for bird strikes. I am always nervous taking off until I feel like we're at like 4000 ft or so. You are fully fueled and you aren't circling around if both engines fail
 
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