*** Official South Dakota State vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

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The no fans affecting this team is so bs. 1. Everyone is playing without fans 2. Most of these players haven't played in a huge game at Hilton

This logic just doesn't make sense. If you are not playing with fans you don't get the energy from them nor does the opposing team get distracted by the fans. The reason there is home court advantages is because of the fans. And I have no clue what you are trying to say with the 2nd point
 
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This logic just doesn't make sense. If you are not playing with fans you don't get the energy from them nor does the opposing team get distracted by the fans. The reason there is home court advantages is because of the fans. And I have no clue what you are trying to say with the 2nd point
Yes, every school is dealing with that. It's not a valid excuse this year.
 

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Yes, every school is dealing with that. It's not a valid excuse this year.

Huh? Just because every school is going through it doesn't mean it isn't a factor. That just like saying having no fans for the louisiana football game didn't factor in because other schools had no fans too. I guess we shall see if it makes a difference come Sunday
 

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Grasping at straws here, but we actually held SDSU to less points per possession than WVU did.
 

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This logic just doesn't make sense. If you are not playing with fans you don't get the energy from them nor does the opposing team get distracted by the fans. The reason there is home court advantages is because of the fans. And I have no clue what you are trying to say with the 2nd point

These situations expose the cracks in your program though. The NBA bubble was the perfect example. The teams that played well in the bubble, were teams with strong veteran leadership and strong team culture. You should have watched the Baylor/Illinois game last night. Those benches were on fire, they brought their own energy, because both are well coached teams with a strong culture. We are the exact opposite of that, no leaders, poorly coached and no identity or culture as a program. Teams like ours are going to struggle more than others, we just aren't built for this. Prohm's teams are soft and undisciplined, two huge factors in creating a successful team culture.
 

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These situations expose the cracks in your program though. The NBA bubble was the perfect example. The teams that played well in the bubble, were teams with strong veteran leadership and strong team culture. You should have watched the Baylor/Illinois game last night. Those benches were on fire, they brought their own energy, because both are well coached teams with a strong culture. We are the exact opposite of that, no leaders, poorly coached and no identity or culture as a program. Teams like ours are going to struggle more than others, we just aren't built for this. Prohm's teams are soft and undisciplined, two huge factors in creating a successful team culture.

I had this EXACT thought watching that game. Same thing with the Texas Tech/Houston game the other night. No fans, but they created their own energy. Two coaches that don't give a **** if there is not fans-- you are either going to create your own energy or not play.

You compare that to the lifelessness on our bench and it tells you alot. I've seen more passion and energy at noon ball at the Y.
 
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These situations expose the cracks in your program though. The NBA bubble was the perfect example. The teams that played well in the bubble, were teams with strong veteran leadership and strong team culture. You should have watched the Baylor/Illinois game last night. Those benches were on fire, they brought their own energy, because both are well coached teams with a strong culture. We are the exact opposite of that, no leaders, poorly coached and no identity or culture as a program. Teams like ours are going to struggle more than others, we just aren't built for this. Prohm's teams are soft and undisciplined, two huge factors in creating a successful team culture.
We need more junk yard dog guys.
 

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Huh? Just because every school is going through it doesn't mean it isn't a factor. That just like saying having no fans for the louisiana football game didn't factor in because other schools had no fans too. I guess we shall see if it makes a difference come Sunday
A good team doesn't need to feed off the crowd's energy, they create their own. I haven't seen that from this team yet.
 
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I’m not convinced Otzelberger would be much of an upgrade over Prohm. I think better candidates would be available for Pollard to consider.

The thing is, we will be a dumpster fire by the time JP actually pulls the trigger on Prohm, at that point, you're looking at an up and comer type of guy. No one established will take the job, the list was very underwhelming when we looked to replace Fred. TJ knows how to win here and likely wouldn't be scared off by the total rebuild.
 
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A good team doesn't need to feed off the crowd's energy, they create their own. I haven't seen that from this team yet.

Interesting take considering everyone has told me CSP has killed the "magic". You think all those double digit comeback wins under Fred happen with an empty arena?
 

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Interesting take considering everyone has told me CSP has killed the "magic". You think all those double digit comeback wins under Fred happen with an empty arena?
With the guys playing back then? Yeah. They could be cold as ice then heat in an instant.
 

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I had this EXACT thought watching that game. Same thing with the Texas Tech/Houston game the other night. No fans, but they created their own energy. Two coaches that don't give a **** if there is not fans-- you are either going to create your own energy or not play.

You compare that to the lifelessness on our bench and it tells you alot. I've seen more passion and energy at noon ball at the Y.

There were fans at the Tech Houston game (source best friend went to it), but I agree with what both of you are saying. We need more bench energy. I was just commenting on how it doesn't make sense to just dismiss it as a factor
 

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There were fans at the Tech Houston game (source best friend went to it), but I agree with what both of you are saying. We need more bench energy. I was just commenting on how it doesn't make sense to just dismiss it as a factor

Seems like a whole bunch of “wtf is going on I thought I was going to be playing with Tyrese Halliburton” going on with the team right now. Everyone just seems lost and directionless.
 
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There were fans at the Tech Houston game (source best friend went to it), but I agree with what both of you are saying. We need more bench energy. I was just commenting on how it doesn't make sense to just dismiss it as a factor
Yeah, it is definitely a factor for ISU. For some schools not as much because their crowds aren't a factor.
 

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A good team doesn't need to feed off the crowd's energy, they create their own. I haven't seen that from this team yet.
I agree good teams don't need to, but we aren't a good team. Nor was anyone really thinking we were going to be good. Your take is just too dismissive of how much of a factor it is that is what I am arguing against
 

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End of game situations have been horribly incompetent under CSP.

His record in games decided by 5 points or less (all OT games included) is 16-31. If you take out his first two years then that record falls to 5-17 over the last 3 years and two games.
 
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