****Official Class of 2017 Recruiting Thread****

[Gunnerclone]

UNLV and OSU have recent success that is better than ISU's? No.

Depends on what your definition of recent is doesn't it? UNLV might be a stretch but they are a national program with FF's and national titles recently enough that I watched those runs on TV.

OSU: 5 straight NCAA's, one FF, one Elite Eight, one Sweet 16

 

[Gunnerclone]

I would cross Noskowiak ( no one wanted him because he was a head case) off that list as well as Long and Lard. I consider top ranked recruits top 100 kids on Rivals or at least 4 star kids.

Go look at other schools in the conference that have been good over the last 4 years and look at the high school recruits they are able to get. It is even worse if you look at other conferences. Look at the top 100 recruits on rivals. Here is a sampling of schools that have at least 1 four star recruit in the last class:
Auburn
Alabama
Miss. State
Arizona State
Umass
VCU
Penn State
Minnesota
St. Johns
TCU
Oregon State
Northwestern

You would think ISU would get better recruits than these schools. Heck Washington gets really great recruits and they haven't been to the tournament for probably 5 years. If you want to know why Kansas has dominated the Big 12 look at their recruiting classes compared to the rest of the league. I think it is also why the big 12 has struggled in the tournament. Not enough top end talent.

I guess I just don't know what your point is. So we should get more HS kids so we can be like these programs?

 

[Clone_12]

Or they might just come later. But hey, CCL is starting, recruiting is tanking, we don't have any scorers for 2017/18, we're by far the luckiest Sweet 16 team in America because we play zero defense, never rebound, and miss every free throw. ISU Basketball is back.

Gunnerclone, 'The Official Fan Sherriff of Iowa State Basketball'.

Your ability to take rational concerns and exaggerate them into fans melting down and blasting our program is second to none! You keep doing you.

 

[isutrevman]

Depends on what your definition of recent is doesn't it? UNLV might be a stretch but they are a national program with FF's and national titles recently enough that I watched those runs on TV.

OSU: 5 straight NCAA's, one FF, one Elite Eight, one Sweet 16

No high school kid being recruited has ever seen a good UNLV team.

 

[rholtgraves]

I guess I just don't know what your point is. So we should get more HS kids so we can be like these programs?

Are you serious?

 

[Gunnerclone]

No high school kid being recruited has ever seen a good UNLV team.

Once again, I don't know what your point is. Okay, so UNLV continues to get highly rated recruits and isn't good. Why are you pining for us to emulate this tactic rather than what we do now with a heavy dose of transfers and some JUCO's with HS kids sprinkled in?

 

[Gunnerclone]

Are you serious?

Seriously, what are you trying to say? I guess you're just mad that some schools get 4 star recruits and we don't? Jakolby Long is a 4 star on 247 btw.

 

[rholtgraves]

Depends on what your definition of recent is doesn't it? UNLV might be a stretch but they are a national program with FF's and national titles recently enough that I watched those runs on TV.

OSU: 5 straight NCAA's, one FF, one Elite Eight, one Sweet 16

No it really doesn't depend on the definition of recent. I don't know anyone that would consider 25 years ago recent with regards to UNLV. And as for OSU, they are the poster child for great recruiter bad coach in a not so great location. Stillwater isn't some great destination. Ford only made the tournament 3 of the last 6 years and his best teams never made it past the first round of the tournament. His team that was loaded with talent a few years ago crapped the bed big time. Yet he still got Juwan Evans to sign last year. And I don't think they have had a deep tourney run for over 10 years.

Kids in high school don't look that far back. ISU has been really good program for the past 5 years. 5 straight tournaments, a great rankings streak. Two sweet sixteen appearances. That is why it is baffling to me. Now part of that could be the coaching change because it seemed like Hoiberg was on the verge of landing some top talent. My hope is that with another really good year under Prohm they can start getting somewhere with some top 50 talent. That is what would really take ISU to the next level as a basketball program.

 

[rholtgraves]

Seriously, what are you trying to say? .

Maybe you should go back and read then.

 

[Gunnerclone]

No it really doesn't depend on the definition of recent. I don't know anyone that would consider 25 years ago recent with regards to UNLV. And as for OSU, they are the poster child for great recruiter bad coach in a not so great location. Stillwater isn't some great destination. Ford only made the tournament 3 of the last 6 years and his best teams never made it past the first round of the tournament. His team that was loaded with talent a few years ago crapped the bed big time. Yet he still got Juwan Evans to sign last year. And I don't think they have had a deep tourney run for over 10 years.

Kids in high school don't look that far back. ISU has been really good program for the past 5 years. 5 straight tournaments, a great rankings streak. Two sweet sixteen appearances. That is why it is baffling to me. Now part of that could be the coaching change because it seemed like Hoiberg was on the verge of landing some top talent. My hope is that with another really good year under Prohm they can start getting somewhere with some top 50 talent. That is what would really take ISU to the next level as a basketball program.

Maybe you should go back and read then. THE OSU...read the comments again. Ohio St. was mentioned, I clarified in my next comment by stating THE OSU to distinguish and you've been talking about Okie St. the entire time.

 

[rholtgraves]

Once again, I don't know what your point is. Okay, so UNLV continues to get highly rated recruits and isn't good. Why are you pining for us to emulate this tactic rather than what we do now with a heavy dose of transfers and some JUCO's with HS kids sprinkled in?

Did he say that? No

 

[CyTwins]

With the coaching change and the late arrival of the new staff I think getting the 38th best recruiting class in the country even after Malou opted out was pretty impressive actually. And that doesn't include two grad transfers that will help us out a lot

 

[rholtgraves]

Maybe you should go back and read then. THE OSU...read the comments again. Ohio St. was mentioned, I clarified in my next comment by stating THE OSU to distinguish.

Ok Well I don't think there is any question Ohio State under Matta has been better except for last year.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Did he say that? No

So this isn't just a cryfest and hand wringing over ISU not being able to bring in 4 star recruits? Because that is what it sounds like. And the simple answer that you both have illustrated so nicely is that it's not a great way to have success in CBB these days outside of the blue bloods fishing in the top 25 kids pond, so maybe it's more of a we're not doing that type of thing by design scenario. If I were one of these 4 star kids that wasn't all in or wanted to be fairly sure of playing time I wouldn't come to Transfer U either. because you're likely to get 5th yeared over here and I doubt Prohm is blowing much smoke up these kids ***** to the contrary.

 

[rholtgraves]

With the coaching change and the late arrival of the new staff I think getting the 38th best recruiting class in the country even after Malou opted out was pretty impressive actually. And that doesn't include two grad transfers that will help us out a lot

TJ was huge for the incoming class. I think getting him to stay a year was one of Prohm's best moves in his first year.

 

[rholtgraves]

So this isn't just a cryfest and hand wringing over ISU not being able to bring in 4 star recruits? Because that is what it sounds like. And the simple answer that you both have illustrated so nicely is that it's not a great way to have success in CBB these days outside of the blue bloods fishing in the top 25 kids pond, so maybe it's more of a we're not doing that type of thing by design scenario. If I were one of these 4 star kids that wasn't all in or wanted to be fairly sure of playing time I wouldn't come to Transfer U either. because you're likely to get 5th yeared over here and I doubt Prohm is blowing much smoke up these kids ***** to the contrary.

You are insufferable. Yeah they don't get 4 star and 5 star recruits by design.

 

[srjclone]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Gunnerclone]

You are insufferable. Yeah they don't get 4 star and 5 star recruits by design.

At least I can follow along. You're still trying to wrap your head around more than one school having the acronym OSU.

 

[isutrevman]

Once again, I don't know what your point is. Okay, so UNLV continues to get highly rated recruits and isn't good. Why are you pining for us to emulate this tactic rather than what we do now with a heavy dose of transfers and some JUCO's with HS kids sprinkled in?

My point is that we should be able to get better players than a program like UNLV. How do you possibly take that as "we should get better players, but suck underachieve with them"? Even with Hoiberg, we were trying to get good high school players. We just couldn't get that many so we went the JUCO and transfer route. The transfer market has been watered down a lot in the last couple years because pretty much every school wants them now. It has become a lot harder to get the top transfers.

No one has even said we need to get more high school players, just that its frustrating to see inferior programs land more top 100 players than us year after year.

We are debating why we seem to struggle getting more top high school players, not if we should try to get more high school players.

 

[CyTwins]

TJ was huge for the incoming class. I think getting him to stay a year was one of Prohm's best moves in his first year.

So we didn't suck at recruiting this year?