***OFFICIAL AVENGERS ENDGAME SPOILER THREAD WITHOUT PERSONAL ATTACKS***
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I think you are all f$%ked in the head. (Chevy Chase, 1980)
We need to remember the most heroic character of them all.
No rat in Antman's van, then no movie.
No rat in Antman's van, then no movie.
So to try and get this on track...
I still don't get their time travel explanation. So if they go back and affect the past, it's an alternate timeline and won't affect their own timeline. Yet when Can goes back at the end, he stays in the past timeline yet shows up in the current timeline. He shouldn't exist at all in their current timeline after going back. He should grow old in the alternate timeline and thus never had the opportunity to be sitting their giving the shield to Sam.
I still don't get their time travel explanation. So if they go back and affect the past, it's an alternate timeline and won't affect their own timeline. Yet when Can goes back at the end, he stays in the past timeline yet shows up in the current timeline. He shouldn't exist at all in their current timeline after going back. He should grow old in the alternate timeline and thus never had the opportunity to be sitting their giving the shield to Sam.
Oh no you said something bad about Endgame.
Prepare for an artillery barrage of nerd rage.
Yeah I know.
This is always the problem with time travel movies when the characters attempt to change something that happens at an earlier time. There's no way around it. In Endgame, they even make fun of this fact by referencing all the other movies with time travel rules in them.
He came to the main movie timeline using his fancy bracelet. Only explanation I can think of other than the main timeline being a branch where old cap was always present. Maybe we see old cap working in the background in future movies (black widow origin?)
If he had used his bracelet, he would have returned to the platform. According to their explanation, only traveling through the quantum realm would get them to return to their reality.
It's a small thing, but it just seemed like the movie broke a lot of it's own rules to get things to wrap up easily.
Shhhhh, can't say that, you'll be attacked.
That said, Tony and cap used theirs to travel from New York to the base in both time and space, we probably don't know all of the capabilities of the bracelet.
One more reason I like Thanos --
He totally won. He beat the Avengers so hard that they had to resort to fourth wall-breaking, plot coherence-ruining gimmicks like time travel to defeat him.
Thanos was so powerful and mighty the writers wrote themselves into a corner and had to resort to the "break in case of plot emergency" glass to fix it.
He totally won. He beat the Avengers so hard that they had to resort to fourth wall-breaking, plot coherence-ruining gimmicks like time travel to defeat him.
Thanos was so powerful and mighty the writers wrote themselves into a corner and had to resort to the "break in case of plot emergency" glass to fix it.
You say this as if this wasn't always their plan, and they just realized after Infinity War that they might have ****** up. The knew where the story was going a long time ago (that's why we got our first taste of the quantum realm four freaking years ago).
Oh, I am sure they planned it long ago.
That does not change the fact they wrote Thanos and his plan so well up to that point that they had to resort to a gimmicky time travel plot to eventually get around it, though.
The Avengers lost, and hard, and only by cheating conventional bounds of story structure and plot cohesion -- just go back in time and change things! -- could they somehow win.
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Finally saw just now. Pretty awesome movie, way more fan service than I ever thought possible but the lesson might be that even casual fans like fan service.
As a fanatic fan of the original comics this story is based on (probably read it a dozen times) I doubt anyone was more shocked by the story than me. Infinity War and some of the previous movies followed the comic book story more or less and I wasn't surprised at all with the snap...Endgame was all completely new at least in terms of not using any story from the early 90s Infinity Gauntlet comic story.
I got to see the "space suits" that I now know are "time travel suits" over a year ago working on product development...so knowing that the final comic book battle against Thanos takes place in space I was 99.9999999% sure we were going to see some outerspace Thanos showdown. Awesome surprise to be so wrong and so entertained. I'm going to look back at my old correspondence but I think we were even told they were space suits as misdirection.
I did have one time on some graphic work where I was directed to use Hawkeye and Widow next to each other where I previously had Hulk and Widow next to each other...now I know why.
One other thing...I didn't find either Ant-Man movie particularly funny (as opposed to both Guardians movies I did find hilarious) but the Ant-Man lines in this movie were hilarious and every one of them landed. If there were to ever be a third Ant-Man movie they need whoever wrote the characters lines in this one.
As a fanatic fan of the original comics this story is based on (probably read it a dozen times) I doubt anyone was more shocked by the story than me. Infinity War and some of the previous movies followed the comic book story more or less and I wasn't surprised at all with the snap...Endgame was all completely new at least in terms of not using any story from the early 90s Infinity Gauntlet comic story.
I got to see the "space suits" that I now know are "time travel suits" over a year ago working on product development...so knowing that the final comic book battle against Thanos takes place in space I was 99.9999999% sure we were going to see some outerspace Thanos showdown. Awesome surprise to be so wrong and so entertained. I'm going to look back at my old correspondence but I think we were even told they were space suits as misdirection.
I did have one time on some graphic work where I was directed to use Hawkeye and Widow next to each other where I previously had Hulk and Widow next to each other...now I know why.
One other thing...I didn't find either Ant-Man movie particularly funny (as opposed to both Guardians movies I did find hilarious) but the Ant-Man lines in this movie were hilarious and every one of them landed. If there were to ever be a third Ant-Man movie they need whoever wrote the characters lines in this one.
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Comic books themselves are gimmicky plots and far fetched non-scientific non-realistic scenarios. When they bring dead characters back to life that's a comic book staple too. Nothing would be more "comic book" than having another Iron Man movie even after the last scenes of Endgame.
In this '90-'91 comic story (Thanos Quest 1-2, Infinity Gauntlet 1-6) the "snap" is the half way point of a story that does not involve time travel. After Thanos defeats the half of the heroes that are left in a space battle about a dozen cosmic gods join forces to battle him (Galactus and others like him), Thanos defeats the gods, in doing so he becomes the embodiment of the entire universe rendering his physical form obsolete because he is all reality at once...in this initial moment of realization he forgets about his physical form with a barely alive tortured disgusting Nebula very near the gauntlet, she grabs it and chaos ensues with a sort of free for all.
I suspect that outerspace god battle I just described would turn off religious people and may not have filmed well, instead time travel was a fun device for what is the ultimate popcorn movie that doesn't intend to be The Godfather or 2001.
Can I make assholish personal attacks in here if they're directed at myself?
I wanted to contribute something since I haven't seen the movie and am still probably a couple of weeks away from seeing it.
I wanted to contribute something since I haven't seen the movie and am still probably a couple of weeks away from seeing it.
