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Cyhig

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The only thing I don't like about some of those vids is they make the damage path look so narrow, when in fact at ground level it's a completely different story.
To be fair, the tornado was a very narrow tornado. Which is good and bad. Think of a figure skater who is spinning. If their arms are extended, they spin slowly. Once they bring their arms in and are compact, they spin faster.

So if the tornado was wider, the wind speed likely would had been lower, but more buildings may had sustained damage. But since the tornado was compact, the winds were much stronger leading to catastrophic damages, but only in a narrow path.
 
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No sheathing. If they're not going to sheath the walls as they build up, the need to have it braced to hell. Looks like the had a few braces but obviously not nearly enough. It wouldn't take much wind to knock that thing over.
Very susceptible until roof is decked. And yes, wall sheathing, or wind braces need to be cut into the walls
 
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For all of you weather geeks in this thread - is there a website where I can find an image of the path the tornado took; the one that passed near Cambridge, Nevada, and Zearing?
I've been searching this morning but I don't really know where to look. At least our internet is back. From yesterday afternoon on, all I had was throttled data, and Lew couldn't even access THAT on his phone. We're guessing a relay tower got hit...maybe the ones in Alleman? For a short while yesterday we couldn't even make phone calls.
I'm not sure if this is one path, two paths, or just a cell that was throwing funnels willy nilly. What I could gather from flipping the local channels is that a funnel was verified north of Waukee, it progressed to near the Grimes area and crossed Saylorville just south of the mile long bridge. From there is passed south of Huxley and hit White Oak. I'm unsure whether this is the same funnel that flipped the semi's at the I-35 rest area or not. Probably so. From there it passed Cambridge and crossed US30 just east of Nevada. At that point I had to disengage for other distractions.
 
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I guess I'd missed the news that one of the deceased yesterday was a storm chaser.

Honest question, do real weather people and local authorities find these folks helpful, or is it just weather porn for gawkers on the internet? Or somewhere in between?
 
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I guess I'd missed the news that one of the deceased yesterday was a storm chaser.

Honest question, do real weather people and local authorities find these folks helpful, or is it just weather porn for gawkers on the internet? Or somewhere in between?

Really depends. I think I found out about the Greenfield tornado before KCCI or WHO picked up on it by watching Ryan Hall's stream. Storm spotters are integral to alerting the news whether a tornado has been sighted. "Radar indicated" warnings only help so much, but having eyes on a situation can be immensely valuable to first responders who need to know where help might be needed most.
 

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I guess I'd missed the news that one of the deceased yesterday was a storm chaser.

Honest question, do real weather people and local authorities find these folks helpful, or is it just weather porn for gawkers on the internet? Or somewhere in between?

I'd imagine some of them are super useful. Being able to visually confirm a tornado is on the ground is really useful. It changes how the NWS categorizes the warnings.
 

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I guess I'd missed the news that one of the deceased yesterday was a storm chaser.

Honest question, do real weather people and local authorities find these folks helpful, or is it just weather porn for gawkers on the internet? Or somewhere in between?
The answer is it depends. Level of training, knowledge, assistance on navigation just to name a few factors. There are a TON that go out for the fun of it and that is okay if you know what you are doing. I saw a picture that a chaser took yesterday. With the amount of headlights on what is likely a normally lonely rural highway it looked like University Ave after a night game.
 

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Really depends. I think I found out about the Greenfield tornado before KCCI or WHO picked up on it by watching Ryan Hall's stream. Storm spotters are integral to alerting the news whether a tornado has been sighted. "Radar indicated" warnings only help so much, but having eyes on a situation can be immensely valuable to first responders who need to know where help might be needed most.
Yeah it's a real mix of glory chasers and serious. Similarly, I've found the weather discord to be quite useful in that they also catch some of this "before" NWS (I don't think it's quite accurate to say) but they can give context I don't hear on broadcast. Like with yesterday, there was a lot of chatter that if that cell by Red Oak got organized, it was going to be on the ground and dangerous for a long time.
 

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To be fair, the tornado was a very narrow tornado. Which is good and bad. Think of a figure skater who is spinning. If their arms are extended, they spin slowly. Once they bring their arms in and are compact, they spin faster.

So if the tornado was wider, the wind speed likely would had been lower, but more buildings may had sustained damage. But since the tornado was compact, the winds were much stronger leading to catastrophic damages, but only in a narrow path.
That is a general physical aspect of increasing speed. Another view of large well-supported tornadic formations is that they can form very wide, large tornados developing individual powerful vortices within that are essentially part of but, though separate in actions. These don't "seem" to operate as an individual spinning focus like a skater.
 

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I guess I'd missed the news that one of the deceased yesterday was a storm chaser.

Honest question, do real weather people and local authorities find these folks helpful, or is it just weather porn for gawkers on the internet? Or somewhere in between?
Through a serious of connections, I had a convo once with a legit chaser from OK/TX. The dude was as interesting as he was weird. Clearly a very very smart guy. But he definitely had a screw loose. I assume most of the legit ones are extremely intelligent and I respect that.
 

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Yeah it's a real mix of glory chasers and serious. Similarly, I've found the weather discord to be quite useful in that they also catch some of this "before" NWS (I don't think it's quite accurate to say) but they can give context I don't hear on broadcast. Like with yesterday, there was a lot of chatter that if that cell by Red Oak got organized, it was going to be on the ground and dangerous for a long time.
I agree. These recent storms have had as many as 50 verified chasers after them.

I've been following Brandon Copic lately. He probably makes good money through PayPal, Venmo and Youtube but he is not in it just for the clicks.
In Neb. He was chasing near Blair and an emergency call came over the radio but no EMS were available. He abandoned the chase and responded to help.
Yesterday he happened to pick just the right path and was within less than a mile of the tornado down by Corning. A house had been wiped out literally seconds before he got there and he stopped to check on the family. His chase partner picked up a child with a head injury. They raced him to Greenfield only to find that they couldn't get to the hospital. Took the child to EMS and then spent the next 2 hours helping with search and rescue.