*** Official #14 IOWA STATE vs Texas (SAMSUBA) Game(Day) Thread ***

[IanPBR]

Making 2 BS shots and playing shoddy defense isn't exactly helping the team win. In fact we won in spite of him playing.

On the second bolded line there IS NO POINT in a game, other than garbage time, where Pavs should see the floor. We don't need to "see how he'll do" as we already know what he will do: give a subpar performance relative to (better) available options on the bench. Yes we had a big lead but as we saw the other day, and have seen numerous times in Otz's tenure, it's never safe to assume a first half lead is insurmountable on the road (it wasn't).

Everyone defending Pavs is talking in circles, almost as if they are pals sticking up for their best friend. He simply doesn't have the athleticism or size to be anything other than a liability defensively and his best case scenario is that he treads water offensively.

Instead of saying "hey, he sucks less than he usually does" or "if we are going to put in a substandard player doing so with a big lead is better than putting him in during a close game", you need to ask yourself if it's smart, necessary, and/or if he's the best option we have. The answer to all of those questions is no. This isn't the first conference game it was the 9th. We've seen enough already. All we can hope is that he gets a lot better for next year. If not it's a wasted scholarship.

Can you suck less than you usually do?

 

[Sigmapolis]

Took you know who off ignore for a minute just to see how bad it was.

Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

 

[BryceC]

Your points are invalid. Even when you do make a valid point, such as Texas is a guard heavy lineup, it doesn't nothing to counter my point which is we don't NEED Pav's minutes. Watson played 7 minutes to Pavs' 9. So not only did Pavs play 9 minutes (which is ludicrous in and of itself), Watson only played 7. When looking at the body of work in conference there just isn't a justification to play Pavs at all, let alone only play Watson 7. There's ample evidence to back that up.

You want the guards to get their rest? Easy, play Watson 13-15 minutes, which he is completely capable of doing. It's also preposterous Ward only got 14 minutes, especially in having a large lead for most of the 2nd half. There are plenty of available combinations that allow for rest and keep Pavs on the bench.

The reason you don't like my posts is because I make a specific point, which you poorly refute, and you refuse to cede ground. You've been dying on the we "can play Pavs hill" when I've shown, repeatedly, that he can't. Thta's not my fault buddy, that's yours.

That’s not the reason I don’t like your posts.

I don’t like your posts because your are the basketball equivalent to the Simpson’s Comic Book Guy. You’re a know it all *******. You think you know better than everybody including the staff and you attack everybody who thinks differently.

I don’t know what you get out of acting like this but I hope it at least makes you feel better.

 

[NENick]

Congratulations on a new stat "close steals"

And "shoulda been turnovers" and "BS shots," which a player earns when the shot goes in.

 

[salennon07]

ZRF realizes we have a potential national COY candidate.... and he's a whole hell of a lot smarter than him.... right?

 

[Cydkar]

Why are people responding to him? Put him on ignore and threads can be salvaged.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Your points are invalid. Even when you do make a valid point, such as Texas is a guard heavy lineup, it doesn't nothing to counter my point which is we don't NEED Pav's minutes. Watson played 7 minutes to Pavs' 9. So not only did Pavs play 9 minutes (which is ludicrous in and of itself), Watson only played 7. When looking at the body of work in conference there just isn't a justification to play Pavs at all, let alone only play Watson 7. There's ample evidence to back that up.

You want the guards to get their rest? Easy, play Watson 13-15 minutes, which he is completely capable of doing. It's also preposterous Ward only got 14 minutes, especially in having a large lead for most of the 2nd half. There are plenty of available combinations that allow for rest and keep Pavs on the bench.

The reason you don't like my posts is because I make a specific point, which you poorly refute, and you refuse to cede ground. You've been dying on the we "can play Pavs hill" when I've shown, repeatedly, that he can't. Thta's not my fault buddy, that's yours.

I already countered this with WATSON DOESN'T PLAY POINT GUARD. I'll trust the coach who is going to 3 tourneys in a row over some internet loud mouth.

 

[Cydkar]

I already countered this with WATSON DOESN'T PLAY POINT GUARD. I'll trust the coach who is going to 3 tourneys in a row over some internet loud mouth.

See post above yours...

 

[CascadeClone]

We get into a rut sometimes on offense where we don't attack the paint or move the ball well. Pav actually penetrates and tries to do something, and our ball movement gets better when he's in there usually. Does it outweigh the defensive deficiencies? Most nights it does not. But I'm completely fine with him getting a few minutes here or there to spell a starter or handle some of the load if we get in deep foul trouble. We're in trouble if we need him 15+ minutes a game though.

That's a good point. In addition to getting one of the other guards a rest, Pav does inject some different energy on the offensive side. Even for a couple minutes change of pace, it makes the opponent do things differently on defense.

He is a useful piece for TJ to have in his pocket, just pull out once in a while when needed. Same as Watson. You don't have to be 1st team All-American to be a contributor.

 

[CascadeClone]

That’s not the reason I don’t like your posts.

I don’t like your posts because your are the basketball equivalent to the Simpson’s Comic Book Guy. You’re a know it all *******. You think you know better than everybody including the staff and you attack everybody who thinks differently.

I don’t know what you get out of acting like this but I hope it at least makes you feel better.

Is it possible ZRF is a AI bot designed to wind people up to drive engagement? That would bring in more views and ad revenue for CF...

 

[Yellow Snow]

Why are people responding to him? Put him on ignore and threads can be salvaged.

This is what boggles my mind. PUT HIM ON IGNORE.... I wish people would do that.

Also, as an aside, is there a way to prevent you from seeing other people's replies to a person you have on ignore?

 

[Statefan10]

Don't need to know everything but aren't you someone who actually has intel with the program a bit? Could be wrong.

I have a few connections right now but I used to be very connected a few years back!

 

[CloniesForLife]

Pav and Watson certainly have their limitations which is why there minutes are more limited and matchup dependent. But they have both come in and provided a spark when called uppn. Any minutes we can get out of them are great to 1. Help them develop and be ready in case they are forced into playing more and 2. Help keep everyone else more fresh. We have seen the last two seasons a nosedive in February so keeping people more fresh should help. OBVIOUSLY playing your end of bench guys isn't the most optimal lineup but it's unrealistic to expect us to play our most optimal lineup all year.

Also, Pav provided a much needed offensive spark and breather for other guys in the Texas game.

 

[madguy30]

I have a few connections right now but I used to be very connected a few years back!

Have you ever had any of your current connections tell you that TJ makes decisions....arbitrarily?

 

[Statefan10]

Have you ever had any of your current connections tell you that TJ makes decisions....arbitrarily?

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Absolutely not lol.

 

[Sigmapolis]

The hate boner he has for Pav is pretty funny.

Yeah, he's not as good as Lipsey, Gilbert, and Jones at guard. Duh. Real insightful.

But it isn't hard to know why TJ keeps playing him...

-- must be doing things right/competing hard/playing better in practice
-- still young/need to keep feeding him experience in the Big 12 for the future
-- even a few minutes here and there to lighten the load on the three main guards... especially Lipsey, who we know has a history of health issues and has already missed a game... helps out
-- we might still need him this season... maybe it "clicks" or he has a game where he comes off the bench and goes 5/7 from three and carries the team to victory... he's 11/27 (40.7%) from three
-- Matt Thomas comes to mind... he wasn't very good for a long time... Fred and Prohm kept playing him until it "clicked," they must have seen something in him/he was getting it done in practice

Maybe he doesn't play in true "must win" games in March needed for a Big 12 title or in the NCAA tournament. But until then, I don't see how giving Pav a few minutes is unreasonable.

TJ's earned our deference on this kind of thing.

 

[NoCreativity]

Literally EVERY time in the half court Texas was running circles around him. He can't keep up on a straight line, can't fight through or around screens, he's a REALLY easy player to shake. I

This is complete bs. I watched the replay of the game and specifically watched him on D. He was fine a majority of the time. There was one instance where either Abmas or Mitchell made a nice move in the paint on him and drained a shot and he looked lost.

He was fine and looked about the same size matchup wise as Abmas.

 

[DSMCy]

This is complete bs. I watched the replay of the game and specifically watched him on D. He was fine a majority of the time. There was one instance where either Abmas or Mitchell made a nice move in the paint on him and drained a shot and he looked lost.

He was fine and looked about the same size matchup wise as Abmas.

Yep and judging anyone's defense against Max Abmas isn't really fair. Dude is one of the best scores in college basketball lol

 

[NebrClone]

The hate boner he has for Pav is pretty funny.

Yeah, he's not as good as Lipsey, Gilbert, and Jones at guard. Duh. Real insightful.

But it isn't hard to know why TJ keeps playing him...

-- must be doing things right/competing hard/playing better in practice
-- still young/need to keep feeding him experience in the Big 12 for the future
-- even a few minutes here and there to lighten the load on the three main guards... especially Lipsey, who we know has a history of health issues and has already missed a game... helps out
-- we might still need him this season... maybe it "clicks" or he has a game where he comes off the bench and goes 5/7 from three and carries the team to victory... he's 11/27 (40.7%) from three
-- Matt Thomas comes to mind... he wasn't very good for a long time... Fred and Prohm kept playing him until it "clicked," they must have seen something in him/he was getting it done in practice

Maybe he doesn't play in true "must win" games in March needed for a Big 12 title or in the NCAA tournament. But until then, I don't see how giving Pav a few minutes is unreasonable.

TJ's earned our deference on this kind of thing.

At the start of the season he had a hate boner for BRE. He just has to hate someone.

 

[NoCreativity]

If he had shot those 2 open 3s, one of which he ironically passed up for one of those ******** fade away shots, and made one or both, I'd change the offensive assessment. Defensively he was overmatched.

You're a real piece of work. So now a kid known to be a good offensive player makes 3 high level offensive plays in the game and now he sucks because he should have been taking higher percentage shots?