NIL for All Student Athletes

[ForbinsAscynt]

Is this already being discussed somewhere? (I tried to search)
Locked ons topic for today is Pollard saying all atheletes will receive some NIL.

This isn’t by definition NIL. 99% of people couldn’t name a single member of the swimming and diving team. I’m guessing it’s a small dollar figure but I still don’t see the benefit. Curious to hear the other side of the argument.

 

[Clonehomer]

Is this already being discussed somewhere? (I tried to search)
Locked ons topic for today is Pollard saying all atheletes will receive some NIL.

This isn’t by definition NIL. 99% of people couldn’t name a single member of the swimming and diving team. I’m guessing it’s a small dollar figure but I still don’t see the benefit. Curious to hear the other side of the argument.

I don’t consider payments from the school to be NIL. NIL should be the proceeds from outside sources like advertisements. Money coming from that $22m should be considered a paycheck from an employer. But I understand the complications with that, thus the ruse of still calling it NIL.

 

[Mr Janny]

I don’t consider payments from the school to be NIL. NIL should be the proceeds from outside sources like advertisements. Money coming from that $22m should be considered a paycheck from an employer. But I understand the complications with that, thus the ruse of still calling it NIL.

You can also make the argument that some of this money is in compensation for the school's ability to use their name image and likeness in their marketing and promotional materials.
But yeah they're doing everything they can to avoid calling them employees.

 

[WooBadger18]

Is this already being discussed somewhere? (I tried to search)
Locked ons topic for today is Pollard saying all atheletes will receive some NIL.

This isn’t by definition NIL. 99% of people couldn’t name a single member of the swimming and diving team. I’m guessing it’s a small dollar figure but I still don’t see the benefit. Curious to hear the other side of the argument.

Isn’t that basically true for all athletes though (regardless of sport)? Except for maybe a superstar on the football or basketball teams, pretty much everyone only receives value from being a member of the team, they wouldn’t really have much value otherwise.

To use a non-Iowa State example, did Graham Mertz’ value come from being Graham Mertz, or because he was the starting quarterback for Wisconsin?

Also, I thought I once read that some women athletes make quite a bit of money on TikTok doing makeup tutorials. If that’s the case, they’re actually probably worth more than a lot of male athletes.

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

I can see that point. You have a poster of the volleyball schedule with the athletes, they should be paid. Not sure that makes people want to go to the games more than just a logo with a volleyball but it’s a good point.

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

No one is going to a game because an athlete does makeup tutorials. They can get paid from TikTok if they have a following. Don’t see how that benefits the athletic program in most (not all) cases.

 

[WooBadger18]

No one is going to a game because an athlete does makeup tutorials. They can get paid from TikTok if they have a following. Don’t see how that benefits the athletic program in most (not all) cases.

It may make sense to reply if possible or I may not see the post.

And what do they mean when they talk about NIL? Because NIL has always been sold as “athletes should be able to make money on their name, image, and likeness” (even if it’s really just a cover for pay to play). My point is that the vast majority of athletes have no actual nil value. Their value comes from being a member of the team.

And if we’re talking about NIL donations from the public, then it makes sense to either give NIL to basically 10 total people (and even they probably won’t get that much), or you give it everyone because you recognize that basically no one has any actual NIL value.

Edit: and if it’s from the school, they may also be trying to head off any title nine issues

 

[ClubCy]

JP more than likely meant 99% of our athletes will get some of the revenue sharing.

In addition, I never understood how people didn’t understand it was a placeholder name as opposed to saying pay for play. It’s all semantics and had been heavily discussed for 4 years. Does a high school qb merit $8 million? No, but if someone is willing to pay it then I guess he does to them.

 

[Mr Janny]

JP more than likely meant 99% of our athletes will get some of the revenue sharing.

In addition, I never understood how people didn’t understand it was a placeholder name as opposed to saying pay for play. It’s all semantics and had been heavily discussed for 4 years. Does a high school qb merit $8 million? No, but if someone is willing to pay it then I guess he does to them.

Exactly this. "NIL" became a catch-all term for compensation. The term probably ought to be discarded now, or at least reduced to its actual definition. The money paid out as a result of the House settlement is defined as revenue sharing. It's not necessarily tied to name image and likeness

 

[Clonehomer]

It may make sense to reply if possible or I may not see the post.

And what do they mean when they talk about NIL? Because NIL has always been sold as “athletes should be able to make money on their name, image, and likeness” (even if it’s really just a cover for pay to play). My point is that the vast majority of athletes have no actual nil value. Their value comes from being a member of the team.

And if we’re talking about NIL donations from the public, then it makes sense to either give NIL to basically 10 total people (and even they probably won’t get that much), or you give it everyone because you recognize that basically no one has any actual NIL value.

Edit: and if it’s from the school, they may also be trying to head off any title nine issues

It’s a tough question sometimes. Does a #3 jersey at the bookstore have value because of the Iowa State on the front or because it’s the number that Becht wears? Seems a little of each. Betch’s name has value to fans in Iowa because he’s the QB of ISU. But that jersey is more valuable than a random number because of Becht. So should he get a cut of that jersey sale?

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

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Edit: and if it’s from the school, they may also be trying to head off any title nine issues

I think this is probably a big part of it. If a company has revenue sharing it’s not like the department that doesn’t make money gets left out. In a perfect world revenue driving sports would be separated from the rest but with title nine that’s not possible.

 

[WooBadger18]

It’s a tough question sometimes. Does a #3 jersey at the bookstore have value because of the Iowa State on the front or because it’s the number that Becht wears? Seems a little of each. Betch’s name has value to fans in Iowa because he’s the QB of ISU. But that jersey is more valuable than a random number because of Becht. So should he get a cut of that jersey sale?

And also is it because of Becht or because he’s the starting quarterback at Iowa State? I think you also have to look at that. How much more value does Becht bring than just a default Iowa State quarterback

 

[WooBadger18]

I think this is probably a big part of it. If a company has revenue sharing it’s not like the department that doesn’t make money gets left out. In a perfect world revenue driving sports would be separated from the rest but with title nine that’s not possible.

I don’t think title ix is the issue here.

And I think a more perfect world is almost having a D3 middle and everything else is spun off away from the schools.

 

[Nor'MidWester]

Thanks for making a thread I was looking for this discussion as well.

I think this is a waste of our very precious resources, did tennis and golf players come to ISU expecting to be paid for their play? I'm an ahole but I think having part or all of your tuition paid for to play a sport no one watches is a good enough deal for them already. Don't they already get per diem? Is that now considered "revenue sharing"?

I know we like to take the high road and we care more about non-revenue sports than most places but come on, we are kinda in a fight for survival and massively behind a lot of schools, getting to the salary cap alone is going to be tough.

This seems like something we're doing just to say hey look "we're better than these other schools because we're a family here" (kinda like the beer thing). But at the same time if we can't compete NIL wise anyways maybe doubling down on the "a big happy family" aspect is the move, dunno.

 

[Clonehomer]

I don’t think title ix is the issue here.

And I think a more perfect world is almost having a D3 middle and everything else is spun off away from the schools.

Trying to keep this out of the cave, but the direction of the department of education has changed on Title IX. Essentially, it doesn’t sound like the DOE has any interest in forcing funds from the house settlement to be applied in accordance to Title IX.

 

[BirdDog]

Exactly this. "NIL" became a catch-all term for compensation. The term probably ought to be discarded now, or at least reduced to its actual definition. The money paid out as a result of the House settlement is defined as revenue sharing. It's not necessarily tied to name image and likeness

Correct it is a catch-all term but will still exist as separate from the $20.5 million revenue sharing, however the new NIL will be supposedly policed by a clearing house that supposed to make sure it corresponds to actual promotion to a non university entity which gets a market value for endorsements, appearances, etc.

 

[CycloneT]

Is this already being discussed somewhere? (I tried to search)
Locked ons topic for today is Pollard saying all atheletes will receive some NIL.

This isn’t by definition NIL. 99% of people couldn’t name a single member of the swimming and diving team. I’m guessing it’s a small dollar figure but I still don’t see the benefit. Curious to hear the other side of the argument.

They aren’t getting a ton and every player appears on a graphic or helps with that sports camps they do.

Plus it’s probably easier to persuade the BOR to let you use university or state funds when it’s benefiting every athlete

Edit: Every sport is also cutting 10% from their budget. I’m guessing they are probably getting some of that back as rev share

 

[FriendlySpartan]

No one is going to a game because an athlete does makeup tutorials. They can get paid from TikTok if they have a following. Don’t see how that benefits the athletic program in most (not all) cases.

Livvy dunne and and a lot of women’s basketball players would like a word. Their social media presence has for sure driven interest and attendance at a lot of events.