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New Basketball offer
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Darn, I missed it :frown3qg: I was trying to evade an argument that for once didn't pertain to me and I missed out on the good times. Why do I always do this to myself?:sad9cd:
I'm all for recruiting some "legacies"...especially if the "apple has not fallen far from the tree"...Ronnie Harris was a warrior on the court...often battling far larger players and winning.
However, I am not a big fan of locking kids up so early. I lot of development can happen between 8th/9th grade and when you are finally a senior. Some kids bloom early and never grow/improve much. I would hate to have us locked in at an early age with someone like this. Some kids get hurt and their effectiveness is drastically changed. And some kids bloom late. It would be terrible to not be able to offer to an excellent late bloomer because we already locked in a kid early that didn't grow or improve through his HS years!
A couple of final thoughts...Tyrus Thomas of the Bulls (the 2nd or 3rd pick in last year's NBA draft) did not get playing time on his HS BB team as a sophomore or junior and was not even a starter for much of his senior year. He only got a couple of scholarship offers out of HS (JCs and North Texas) but when LSU lost a recruit last minute and needed another body they gave him that scholarship because some of the guys on the team knew him well. As you may know he was a key contributor to LSU's Final Four team in 2006 and got drafted very high into the NBA. Tom Brady (NE Patriots star SB QB) played on his freshman FB team in HS. His freshman team did not win a game all year...and Tom Brady was the backup QB on the team. Obviously, he has went on to great things at Michigan and NE.
My point is...you never know for certain how good a kid will be when they are in 9th grade.
However, I am not a big fan of locking kids up so early. I lot of development can happen between 8th/9th grade and when you are finally a senior. Some kids bloom early and never grow/improve much. I would hate to have us locked in at an early age with someone like this. Some kids get hurt and their effectiveness is drastically changed. And some kids bloom late. It would be terrible to not be able to offer to an excellent late bloomer because we already locked in a kid early that didn't grow or improve through his HS years!
A couple of final thoughts...Tyrus Thomas of the Bulls (the 2nd or 3rd pick in last year's NBA draft) did not get playing time on his HS BB team as a sophomore or junior and was not even a starter for much of his senior year. He only got a couple of scholarship offers out of HS (JCs and North Texas) but when LSU lost a recruit last minute and needed another body they gave him that scholarship because some of the guys on the team knew him well. As you may know he was a key contributor to LSU's Final Four team in 2006 and got drafted very high into the NBA. Tom Brady (NE Patriots star SB QB) played on his freshman FB team in HS. His freshman team did not win a game all year...and Tom Brady was the backup QB on the team. Obviously, he has went on to great things at Michigan and NE.
My point is...you never know for certain how good a kid will be when they are in 9th grade.
I understand what you're saying #1, I really do. I felt a little unease when we had a kid verbal to us in Dykstra that had never played a high school basketball game. You never know what's going to happen. You could also have Barnes and Dykstra blow up, become top 100 players, and then get gobbled up by Kansas or someplace else.
I think the real important thing to note here is that McD has had a lot of success identifying talent early and offering prior to players' stock skyrocketing. I think he's doing an excellent job and I am very excited about the future.
I think the real important thing to note here is that McD has had a lot of success identifying talent early and offering prior to players' stock skyrocketing. I think he's doing an excellent job and I am very excited about the future.
Let me know if I'm wrong here, but ISU is not "locked" into anything with this kid. He has been given a verbal offer. Nothing official can be given to him at this time. He has not signed a LOI yet either. We are not on the hook for anything here. If this kid does not pan out, which I don't think will happen, I'm sure that ISU will find a way out of their "verbal" offer.
If we backed out of an offer to a recruit, especially a legacy, you can count out any top 100 players pretty much forever. I would lose a lot of respect for McD if he offered a kid, and backed out because he didn't develop like he hoped he would.
We're locked in on Barnes, and I highly doubt he goes anywhere else being a legacy and everything.
We're locked in on Barnes, and I highly doubt he goes anywhere else being a legacy and everything.
If everyone committed their freshmen year of high school, then yes this would probably be a concern. However, one player commiting this early for one recruiting class isn't a concern at all. If he isn't a star, so what its just one sholarship a few years down the road to one great HS player with a lot of potential. He's pretty good now and I think the odds of him getting better are greater than of him getting worse. If he gets even better and stars for us like people hope, then GM can spot talent a mile down the road. If not, he's a hometown guy that everyone will root for.
Whatever. I don't think that's the case at all. If he gets to be a senior in high school and he's not good enough to play at ISU, then McDermott will go to him and tell him to look else where, somewhere where he'll get playing time.
Likewise, if things somehow fall to hell here, or he ends up a Top 10 national recruit, he's free to go somewhere else as well.
I like this move by McDermott. Keep the next Hinrich, Collison, Lafrenz or even Bohanon in the state.
I'm not saying he would just yank the offer. I'm saying he would sit down with the kid and tell him "you aren't going to get playing time here", and then the kid would look else where.
And offers get yanked all the time. I think you are being a little naive about the way college athletic recruiting works.
Harrison is listed as 6'4 but projected to grow to 6'7. His mother works at Iowa State. Outstanding basketball player and scholar (4.0 student). May receive scholarship through academics....
Harrison is listed at 6'4 but projected to grow to 6'7. His mother works at Iowa State. Great family, 4.0 student. May be able to pick up on academic scholarship...
Tim Floyd pulled an offer from a kid when he was here. Player named Ned Wrightson from Minnesota. Verballed to ISU prior to his senior season, but when signing date came ISU didn't offer a scholarship. Kid's father complained and Floyd made comment something like "We only want to recruit potential starters". Kid then went to Wyoming.
If a coach came you and said "we'll honor your scholarship but I can almost guarantee you'll only play on the practice squad with the walk-ons and in game situations player a, player b, and player c are going to play before you see the court. You can come to ISU or look elsewhere. Let me know by 5 pm today. Thanks" I think you'd probably look elsewhere.
