NCAA in Des Moines

[gnarlyboy]

Who knows what seed Iowa or ISU or anybody else will be when the time comes. I realize there are a lot of factors, but my question is, historically how high a seed would a local team have to achieve to pretty much be a lock to get the most local first round venue? 3seed? 4seed? Even 1seeds get shipped across the country if another local team is also a 1seed...ie for example if Duke and NC were both 1seeds.

What if Drake hosted and KU and Iowa and ISU were all 2 seeds - they wouldn't all get to play in DsM. This year ISU is not eligible for DsM as we know, but what if KU and Iowa both end up as 2 seeds, with KU being the higher 2seed? Wouldn't KU get the DsM venue?

I've read where the committee might consider changing a team's seed 1 line to get them local. Would a team prefer a 3seed local over a 2seed in some other region? Bottom line is I don't think there is any guarantee Iowa would get DsM even if they finish strong.

 

[JD720]

Who knows what seed Iowa or ISU or anybody else will be when the time comes. I realize there are a lot of factors, but my question is, historically how high a seed would a local team have to achieve to pretty much be a lock to get the most local first round venue? 3seed? 4seed? Even 1seeds get shipped across the country if another local team is also a 1seed...ie for example if Duke and NC were both 1seeds.

What if Drake hosted and KU and Iowa and ISU were all 2 seeds - they wouldn't all get to play in DsM. This year ISU is not eligible for DsM as we know, but what if KU and Iowa both end up as 2 seeds, with KU being the higher 2seed? Wouldn't KU get the DsM venue?

I've read where the committee might consider changing a team's seed 1 line to get them local. Would a team prefer a 3seed local over a 2seed in some other region? Bottom line is I don't think there is any guarantee Iowa would get DsM even if they finish strong.

There is no reason Des Moines can't have 2 1 seeds or 2 seeds. There are bascially two groups of 4 that will play in Des Monies (one in the afternoon session, one in the night session) and those two groups can be from two different regions.

 

[WastedTalent]

It'll be Iowa and ku, unless one of them falls on their face down the stretch.

In a year that ku, Iowa, and Iowa St are all doing well, I'm sure the spots would go to Iowa and Iowa St, provided they are all equally good.

 

[Cyballzz]

I don't think you know how it works. Jamie didn't HAVE to offer to host the site. He did it because he is smart, though. Sure this year we can't play there, but what it does is when this is a smashing success in Des Moines, it will open the door for DRAKE to host in Des Moines next time. This would allow ISU to play in Des Moines. The NCAA wasn't going to grant Des Moines the games without Iowa or ISU being the host the initial time.

If (When) Des Moines (Iowa State) does an excellent job with the event it more than likely opens the door for the Big XII or MVC to actually host. I wouldn't expect a bid from Drake to succeed anytime soon. It would have to be a massive improvement from the bids prior to the Iowa State bid that landed the event.

Iowa State took one for the team with the hopes of being able to play in Des Moines down the road. While it sucks for this year the hope is that it pays off long term.

 

[gnarlyboy]

There is no reason Des Moines can't have 2 1 seeds or 2 seeds. There are bascially two groups of 4 that will play in Des Monies (one in the afternoon session, one in the night session) and those two groups can be from two different regions.

Good point that I over looked. Back to my initial question - at what seed level does the committee drop their effort to place teams locally? My guess is that 1 or 2 seeds are in pretty good shape, but anything lower than that falls off rapidly. I don't know.

 

[Cyballzz]

Good point that I over looked. Back to my initial question - at what seed level does the committee drop their effort to place teams locally? My guess is that 1 or 2 seeds are in pretty good shape, but anything lower than that falls off rapidly. I don't know.

First 4 lines are to be seeded close to home or if unable to do that further away from where their first round opponent is from.

 

[Lafaester54]

Curious if any tickets usually become available after pairings are announced... for example, if Kansas fans bought tickets for Des Moines thinking they would be the #1 seed here, and they get assigned somewhere else?

FWIW, I have attended NCAA games in SLC, Denver and Phoenix. The way I have gotten tickets is to call one of the smaller schools (like Howard or North Florida as made up examples) on Monday after the pairings are announced. They will not sell out their allotment and will sell you tickets. Also was able to buy tickets for the weekend game by waiting outside and buying from the losing fans from the Thursday/Friday game. This works really well if it is an upset. Hate to use this example, but there were probably a lot of ISU fans who just went home after the UAB loss and sold their tickets as they left the arena.

 

[Booneville]

The committee looks at seeding over location. So they could very well bump iowa or KU to a more distant location of it means keeping them on the 1 line.

 

[WastedTalent]

The committee looks at seeding over location. So they could very well bump iowa or KU to a more distant location of it means keeping them on the 1 line.

Not sure what you're saying. If either are a 1 seed, then they have priority over everyone else when it comes to location, so they would both get Des Moines.

The only way one would be bumped, is if another potential 1 seed was closer, in terms of miles, from Des Moines.

 

[Cycsk]

First 4 lines are to be seeded close to home or if unable to do that further away from where their first round opponent is from.

Uh, last year, Iowa State as a #3 seed, was shipped to Louisville rather than staying nearby at Omaha . . . while #7 Wichita State did go to Omaha (and beat KU, so that part was good).

And in 2014, Iowa State and Creighton were both #3 seeds and got shipped to San Antonio rather than staying nearby in St. Louis or Milwaukee.

This year with Des Moines and St. Louis, there is probably a better chance for regional #3 seeds to stay closer to home. I have tickets for both, just in case.

 

[Nycclone]

Hate to break it to you but you are mistaken. Maybe this was accurate in 2001 but last I checked its 2016 now.

The committee looks at seeding over location. So they could very well bump iowa or KU to a more distant location of it means keeping them on the 1 line.

 

[Cyballzz]

Uh, last year, Iowa State as a #3 seed, was shipped to Louisville rather than staying nearby at Omaha . . . while #7 Wichita State did go to Omaha (and beat KU, so that part was good).

And in 2014, Iowa State and Creighton were both #3 seeds and got shipped to San Antonio rather than staying nearby in St. Louis or Milwaukee.

This year with Des Moines and St. Louis, there is probably a better chance for regional #3 seeds to stay closer to home. I have tickets for both, just in case.

Uh... Kansas was the 2 seed that is why Wichita State was there.

Kansas and Wisconsin as 2 and 1 seeds outrank a 3 seed. Thus... No Omaha and Louisville was the next closest location.

Same issue with 2014.

 

[Cycsk]

Uh... Kansas was the 2 seed that is why Wichita State was there.

Got it. And I was really glad to see that matchup come to be. I made good money selling my tickets to Wichita State fans.

However, my main point was in response to the claim that "the first 4 lines being assigned close to home." It seems that there are plenty of examples of #3 seeds being sent pretty far away, namely us!

 

[Nycclone]

Cuz other teams were ranked higher. Which is why we need to be cheering for cool stuff like us to keep winning and Michigan state and Xavier to start losing. And for teams like Purdue and Indiana to get ****** losses. And for iowa to do hawkeye things like losing to penn state or something.

Got it. And I was really glad to see that matchup come to be. I made good money selling my tickets to Wichita State fans.

However, my main point was in response to the claim that "the first 4 lines being assigned close to home." It seems that there are plenty of examples of #3 seeds being sent pretty far away, namely us!

 

[Cyballzz]

Got it. And I was really glad to see that matchup come to be. I made good money selling my tickets to Wichita State fans.

However, my main point was in response to the first 4 lines being assigned locally. It seems that there are plenty of examples of #3 seeds being sent pretty far away.

Its all based on seeding. They make every effort to put the top 4 seeds on each line close to home.

The problem is to get to the 3 seeds you have 8 teams that all have higher priority. By the time you get them taken care of you have generally pushed your radius for a close to home site out further.

It is absolutely a better system than the one that sent Iowa State to boise and Arizona to Kansas City.

 

[Booneville]

The top four seeds are all protected though. It's unlikely but if they get in a situation where they can't prevent a disadvantage to a top 4 seed then a one seed could be moved to a close-but-not-the-closest location.

 

[Cycsk]

It is certainly a tricky task to pick tournament cities years in advance and then try to make everything fit.

For instance, last year, there were only 3 teams west of the Rockies seeded #5 or better (and only 5 seeded #8 or better). That means that they didn't have 4 teams close-by seeded #4 or better, so others had to travel far, just to fill the tournament.

In 2013, in Austin, Texas, I think the closest team was Illinois!