my observations from row 4 ...

[Cyclonesince78]

i thought the 'you're a flopper' chant got to him on that important free throw miss. he's obviously fighting his internal demons that want to lash out. to his credit, he's a hell of a baller for the most part. and you don't do that without discipline.

There is no doubt in my mind that the "you're a flopper" chant got to him. Well played by the fans. It's so sad that a 5th year senior can't block that **** out. And Ejim being a senior has also had issues with that this year as well. I just don't get it.

 

[CoKane]

cyclones are over-the-top in both talent and attitude. only reason they lost the game was inability to control and focus their own emotions in what some here call our ameteurish dark gym.

what surprised me most was ejim. i thought this truly great college player, with the all-academic credentials, would be above that, but he wasn't. maybe the mayor's laid-back style contributes. i really don't know. we have shane southwell, you have several more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpDhhGC5cg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

anyway, i was impressed with the 50 or so cyclone fans who ventured down during that wintery mess. i hope you made it home okay and were treated well on your stay.

i won't be surprised to see iowa state in the elite 8. surely, they'll be more focused than yesterday. :yes:

30 points and 16 rebounds isn't impressive enough? What exactly were you looking for?

 

[awd4cy]

My observation was that KSU could really afford to modernize their music and update that video board and sound system. Woof, there were many things about Bramledge that made me greatly appreciate Hilton.

 

[CoKane]

well, i didn't do that video. it was obviously from a student. the student body is cranked at k-state making the octagon one tough place to win for visiting teams, although northern colorado ... oh well, iowa state is in very good company nonetheless.

From Ben Boyle:
K-State has 6 top 30 rpi wins. Same number as Florida, Wichita State, Villanova, Kentucky, and Ohio State COMBINED.

Sounds like if KSU could have just taken care of business on the road then they could be competing for a 4 or 5 seed.

 

[surly]

Sounds like if KSU could have just taken care of business on the road then they could be competing for a 4 or 5 seed.

... competing for big12 championship, again.

next year.

as to the octagon's trimmings mentioned earlier, they are being updated this coming year. you are quite right. remember, k-state is a football first school. look no further than bill's stadium which is getting another $50mm upgrade next year on top of the $90mm spent this past year. hoops will always be second fiddle, at least while he's still roaming the sidelines.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

No. I don't care what the crowd says to him. If you let the crowd get a reaction out of you, then they won. They'll know they can get under your skin all game long. I'm shocked that Kane hasn't figured that out by now. Ignore the crowd all game long no matter what and focus on the game.

My first paragraph (apparently the only one you chose to address in your response) was entirely based upon this part of the OP's post.

"only reason they lost the game was inability to control and focus their own emotions in what some here call our ameteurish dark gym.

what surprised me most was ejim. i thought this truly great college player, with the all-academic credentials, would be above that, but he wasn't. maybe the mayor's laid-back style contributes. i really don't know. we have shane southwell, you have several more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpD...e_gdata_player"

He made the claim that the game was lost due to ISU players' "inability to control and focus emotions". As evidence, he offered up a commentary on Ejim and a lame pre-game video (YES, VIDEO!) of Kane responding to some early fans in the KSU student section with a common but obscene gesture.

Ejim & Kane combined for 3/4 of the Cyclone points, and half or slightly more than half of all of our rebounds, assists, blocks and steals. Do you seriously think that the emotions of those two players cost us this game?

 

[surly]

My first paragraph (apparently the only one you chose to address in your response) was entirely based upon this part of the OP's post.

"only reason they lost the game was inability to control and focus their own emotions in what some here call our ameteurish dark gym.

what surprised me most was ejim. i thought this truly great college player, with the all-academic credentials, would be above that, but he wasn't. maybe the mayor's laid-back style contributes. i really don't know. we have shane southwell, you have several more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpD...e_gdata_player"

He made the claim that the game was lost due to ISU players' "inability to control and focus emotions". As evidence, he offered up a commentary on Ejim and a lame pre-game video (YES, VIDEO!) of Kane responding to some early fans in the KSU student section with a common but obscene gesture.

Ejim & Kane combined for 3/4 of the Cyclone points, and half or slightly more than half of all of our rebounds, assists, blocks and steals. Do you seriously think that the emotions of those two players cost us this game?

um, yes. they are the leaders and were constantly whining or mouthing off. that gets reflected on the overall team. had your seniors played with composure, they'd have lifted the others' play. that's my view from row4.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

um, yes. they are the leaders and were constantly whining or mouthing off. that gets reflected on the overall team. had your seniors played with composure, they'd have lifted the others' play. that's my view from row4.

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to disagree.

You have probably watched a couple of games (maybe more) that our team has played, with a most likely mildly purple POV.

I've watched all of the Cyclone games, live or on TV...as have many of the posters in here. I think some of us have a better idea of the Cyclone dynamic than you do. I'm quite certain you know the Wildcats better than most of us do.

Does sitting in row 4 increase your street cred? Color me unimpressed.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

My first paragraph (apparently the only one you chose to address in your response) was entirely based upon this part of the OP's post.

"only reason they lost the game was inability to control and focus their own emotions in what some here call our ameteurish dark gym.

what surprised me most was ejim. i thought this truly great college player, with the all-academic credentials, would be above that, but he wasn't. maybe the mayor's laid-back style contributes. i really don't know. we have shane southwell, you have several more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpD...e_gdata_player"

He made the claim that the game was lost due to ISU players' "inability to control and focus emotions". As evidence, he offered up a commentary on Ejim and a lame pre-game video (YES, VIDEO!) of Kane responding to some early fans in the KSU student section with a common but obscene gesture.

Ejim & Kane combined for 3/4 of the Cyclone points, and half or slightly more than half of all of our rebounds, assists, blocks and steals. Do you seriously think that the emotions of those two players cost us this game?

My point was simply that the two leaders of this team can't seem to block out a crowd very well. Both Ejim and Kane seem to try to engage the crowd for some reason, and it doesn't do anyone any good. As far as your question regarding it "costing us the game", probably not, but it sure had an impact. Ejim's T was 2 points for KSU. Kane getting handled by the crowd late in the game led to missed free throws. Those 2 guys were definitely the reason we were in the game, but they definitely made some mistakes as well.

There are a lot of reasons why we lost the game, so definitely not putting it on them. Bigger reasons were poor games by Niang, Thomas, Naz, and the rest of the bench. Missed free throws by the entire team, especially in the most important time of the game. And terrible perimeter defense in the 1st half.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

My point was simply that the two leaders of this team can't seem to block out a crowd very well. Both Ejim and Kane seem to try to engage the crowd for some reason, and it doesn't do anyone any good. As far as your question regarding it "costing us the game", probably not, but it sure had an impact. Ejim's T was 2 points for KSU. Kane getting handled by the crowd late in the game led to missed free throws. Those 2 guys were definitely the reason we were in the game, but they definitely made some mistakes as well.

There are a lot of reasons why we lost the game, so definitely not putting it on them. Bigger reasons were poor games by Niang, Thomas, Naz, and the rest of the bench. Missed free throws by the entire team, especially in the most important time of the game. And terrible perimeter defense in the 1st half.

That response, I can buy. My objection to the OP's post is above. There's no doubt that Melvin has been a bit chippy lately, and I mentioned that he needed to control that better because the T's are an issue. I do not agree with the OP that the reason we lost the game was because of those two players. We win as a team, we lose as a team. There were five other guys in the game, and most of them were not playing up to their normal standards. Ejim & Kane were.

 

[Cpech56]

Does your opinion of the game change if say you were in row 12? I don't understand what your seating assignment has to do with anything.


The questions above were asked from my couch.

 

[Murphcy]

I'd rather them play that way. Athletes need to have confidence in themselves (something CFH preaches all the time) and the more they talk (showoff) usually the more confidence they get and it elevates their game more (i.e. MJ, LBJ, Kobe, AI, Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, pretty much all the greats). Ish talk all you want guys it brings a "swagger" to the team. Hell those 2 aren't even our biggest ish talkers on the team >>>NIANG. Bring Tinsley Back as a ish talker coach and we'll win it all.

Editrobably get a lot more T's as well but I guess my view on T's is skewed watching Coach Eustachy growing up.

 

[NorthCyd]

There is no doubt in my mind that the "you're a flopper" chant got to him. Well played by the fans. It's so sad that a 5th year senior can't block that **** out. And Ejim being a senior has also had issues with that this year as well. I just don't get it.

First of all, just because he missed the free throw badly doesn't mean it got to him. He does that all the time absent people chanting at him. He's just a weak free throw shooter.

However, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it did. Having 12,000 plus people chant something at you would get under almost anyones skin. It's not like they have to deal with that level of hostility at most venues. Kudo's to the K-State fans for making it difficult. Thought our guys held up fairly well for the most part.

 

[Cyballzz]

um, yes. they are the leaders and were constantly whining or mouthing off. that gets reflected on the overall team. had your seniors played with composure, they'd have lifted the others' play. that's my view from row4.

If it would have reflected on the rest of the team we would have scored 120 yesterday... Those 2 combined for 54 points; I PRAY the rest of them follow their lead.

 

[jkclone]

I'd rather them play that way. Athletes need to have confidence in themselves (something CFH preaches all the time) and the more they talk (showoff) usually the more confidence they get and it elevates their game more (i.e. MJ, LBJ, Kobe, AI, Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, pretty much all the greats). Ish talk all you want guys it brings a "swagger" to the team. Hell those 2 aren't even our biggest ish talkers on the team >>>NIANG. Bring Tinsley Back as a ish talker coach and we'll win it all.

Editrobably get a lot more T's as well but I guess my view on T's is skewed watching Coach Eustachy growing up.

This

Plus you have to look at it as a whole. Ejim has 6 career T's. I don't know about the first 2 but the ones this year I don't blame him. Of the 4 this year 2 were indisputable bad calls 1 was a bad call that I guess you can argue a little. The last one is the West Virginia one which I still don't really get. Should he have done it no, but it seemed to me like he was frustrated stuff wasn't being called both ways. Should he have done it no, but he wasn't yelling really so he shouldn't have gotten a technical.

So I look at it this way 3/6 technicals in his career have been on officials not making the correct call.

 

[allfourcy]

How do you know emotion, crowd reaction, etc. didn't 'elevate' the play of both Ejim and Kane? Their stats were pretty darn good. So Niang, Long, and Matt going 3-22 from the field was due to our seniors' attitude and not any credit to your own team's defense? Not saying it did or didn't, but don't see how you can come across analyzing that it did...4th row or not.

 

[isutrevman]

cyclones are over-the-top in both talent and attitude. only reason they lost the game was inability to control and focus their own emotions in what some here call our ameteurish dark gym.

what surprised me most was ejim. i thought this truly great college player, with the all-academic credentials, would be above that, but he wasn't. maybe the mayor's laid-back style contributes. i really don't know. we have shane southwell, you have several more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpDhhGC5cg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

anyway, i was impressed with the 50 or so cyclone fans who ventured down during that wintery mess. i hope you made it home okay and were treated well on your stay.

i won't be surprised to see iowa state in the elite 8. surely, they'll be more focused than yesterday. :yes:

You act like the fans are innocent. They deserve any reaction the players give them. It was nice to hear KSU fans behind the ISU bench yelling "Hey Kane, you are f****** piece of s****!" repeatedly late in the game during a time out.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

I would say if the opposing crowd was trying to get into Melvin's and Kane's heads, they failed. Those two guys played great, minus one or two boneheaded plays (looking at you Kane)

 

[cyclonespiker33]

You act like the fans are innocent. They deserve any reaction the players give them. It was nice to hear KSU fans behind the ISU bench yelling "Hey Kane, you are f****** piece of s****!" repeatedly late in the game during a time out.

Exactly. At the WVU game a group of people got under Watkin's skin enough that he flicked us off. Of course we weren't saying that we liked his shoes and thought he was a great player.

 

[clonehenge]

well, i didn't do that video. it was obviously from a student. the student body is cranked at k-state making the octagon one tough place to win for visiting teams, although northern colorado ... oh well, iowa state is in very good company nonetheless.

From Ben Boyle:
K-State has 6 top 30 rpi wins. Same number as Florida, Wichita State, Villanova, Kentucky, and Ohio State COMBINED.

So the student body is all on meth...explains a lot...and not surprising...

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