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I dont see how theo and westbrook are overrated.....seems to me one should have to actually play to have any kind of rating to even be judged over or underrated....and marsden did exactly what he could for the situation given to him.
I also think the reason that you would think many of his players are overrated would just be the fact that Morgan couldnt get them to play up to their potential, i really would have loved to see how Taggart would have proggressed with a true coach... but that's not going to happen!
I agree with Scott. We will never know how good taggertt, carr, or degand would have been. Remember that Will and Curtis signed to play under the Eustachy era. Just think of how good that team could of been with man to man defense with will, curtis, and homan, etc. Who would have been able to beat our backcourt with Will and Curtis playing solid man to man defense. I guess we will never know. That zone defense did basically nothing for us. We had so much potential. Okay, we did make the tourney, but we could have done a lot more than that. this last year, I really think that taggertt and the rest of our underachievers were a product of our coaching. What makes us think we have reason to think otherwise? Our laziness was a result of our coaching staff. I really believe that.
Well said. I think the only reason we made the tournament was because our starting center wasn't coached by Morgan. Homan's tough defensive post presence is why that team was better than any of Morgan's other teams. I do cut Morgan some slack because Homan never got replaced. Our current(former) big men are(were) young and would have got better, but they never would have made the type of improvement Homan made from the time he was a fresh to senior.
If Larry would have not had his alcohol problem we would have had the best of both worlds: a great coach and Morgan doing what he should have be doing, recruiting talent as an assistant coach.
I don't care what anyone says about Larry, that guy was one of a kind and one of the best coaches we've had regardless of how long he was here and the mess of a deal that he got fired for. Even with lesser talent he always seemed to get his guys to play hard and over-achieve.
As for Morgan, I was never excited about him from day 1 and I was ready to call for his head in year 2 because despite making the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney the foundation was already being laid for this year's disaster with the work ethics and attitudes. That team was on track to finish in the NIT or worse when they started the Big 12 season then somehow played out of their minds toward the end of the season. I think it was either a product of what they were capable of doing or a total fluke, I'm still not so sure. Without Homan (Larry's guy) I doubt they would have made the NCAA and I think possibly he was the main difference in this team. Homan was the leader and set the tone, without the big guy to chew out those who were not putting in the effort he was I think this team just got lazy. No one questioned Homan's effort, he worked his butt off. I think Jiri has the energy to be that guy and hopefully GMac will push him to become that dominant force under the basket. I think Marsden has the potential to be a Paul Shirley kind of player, nothing fancy but just gets the job done.
I don't care what anyone says about Larry, that guy was one of a kind and one of the best coaches we've had regardless of how long he was here and the mess of a deal that he got fired for. Even with lesser talent he always seemed to get his guys to play hard and over-achieve.
As for Morgan, I was never excited about him from day 1 and I was ready to call for his head in year 2 because despite making the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney the foundation was already being laid for this year's disaster with the work ethics and attitudes. That team was on track to finish in the NIT or worse when they started the Big 12 season then somehow played out of their minds toward the end of the season. I think it was either a product of what they were capable of doing or a total fluke, I'm still not so sure. Without Homan (Larry's guy) I doubt they would have made the NCAA and I think possibly he was the main difference in this team. Homan was the leader and set the tone, without the big guy to chew out those who were not putting in the effort he was I think this team just got lazy. No one questioned Homan's effort, he worked his butt off. I think Jiri has the energy to be that guy and hopefully GMac will push him to become that dominant force under the basket. I think Marsden has the potential to be a Paul Shirley kind of player, nothing fancy but just gets the job done.
I know most people think that Morgan was a great recruiter, but lousy coach. I would put forth the proposition that he is not even that good of a recruiter. I realize the common consensus is that his players were great, but lacked coaching leadership to fully develop into top tier players. I am not convinced that this is the case. I think a lot of the players that Morgan recruited lacked a desire to really excel and do the work necessary to succeed at a high level against good competition. It seemed like alot of them were "me" guys that didn't recognize the concept of team success. I, for one, would rather have average to slightly above-average players that worked their butts off than a bunch of selfish 4-5 star players. We'll be a much better team under McDermott and his supposed 'work-hard' and 'team-first' style than we were under Morgan. Eustachy and Floyd were very similar in their approach as McDermott is.
Besides alcohol, not traveling with his team bacause he was cared to fly, late night partying at frat houses, gladly taking in a mil a year, he also really liked the young gals. Please lets not go back to Larry Days. At least WM flew with the team. And WM did not get tpossed ast the end of a critical game. WM was a good representative of the school even though he had trouble at the end. I would rather have TF as coach as McD as coach as WM as coach as LE as coach. Just an opinion.
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Besides alcohol, not traveling with his team bacause he was cared to fly, late night partying at frat houses, gladly taking in a mil a year, he also really liked the young gals. Please lets not go back to Larry Days. At least WM flew with the team. And WM did not get tpossed ast the end of a critical game. WM was a good representative of the school even though he had trouble at the end. I would rather have TF as coach as McD as coach as WM as coach as LE as coach. Just an opinion.
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Well I disagree with your opinion. Larry wasn't anywhere near as shady as you make him out to be. He had some problems and he didn't take the proper or necessary steps to deal with them, not to meantion he lost his best friend during a time where he needed to straighten things out. He made mistakes and he's more than paid for them, but he IS a good man and should go down as one of the best if not THE best coach we've ever had at ISU. I will say that it seems his style is a little too old fashioned in today's world because it seems many kids just arn't as mentality tough as in the past or arn't willing to be. The ones that are thrive under Larry. The 2000 team in my opinion was the most mentally tough team I've ever watched in my life. And I thank Larry. I miss him. With that said, I'm absolutely pumped abou the future of ISU basketball under GMAC...
As for Morgan, he is not a great recruiter - he's a decent to good one, that's it. No amount of stars will change my mind about that. At this point I'm feeling confident that GMAC will bring in recruiting classes much more impressive than Wayne's.
Besides alcohol, not traveling with his team bacause he was cared to fly, late night partying at frat houses, gladly taking in a mil a year, he also really liked the young gals. Please lets not go back to Larry Days. At least WM flew with the team. And WM did not get tpossed ast the end of a critical game. WM was a good representative of the school even though he had trouble at the end. I would rather have TF as coach as McD as coach as WM as coach as LE as coach. Just an opinion.
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Well I disagree with your opinion. Larry wasn't anywhere near as shady as you make him out to be. He had some problems and he didn't take the proper or necessary steps to deal with them, not to meantion he lost his best friend during a time where he needed to straighten things out. He made mistakes and he's more than paid for them, but he IS a good man and should go down as one of the best if not THE best coach we've ever had at ISU. I will say that it seems his style is a little too old fashioned in today's world because it seems many kids just arn't as mentality tough as in the past or arn't willing to be. The ones that are thrive under Larry. The 2000 team in my opinion was the most mentally tough team I've ever watched in my life. And I thank Larry. I miss him. With that said, I'm absolutely pumped abou the future of ISU basketball under GMAC...
As for Morgan, he is not a great recruiter - he's a decent to good one, that's it. No amount of stars will change my mind about that. At this point I'm feeling confident that GMAC will bring in recruiting classes much more impressive than Wayne's.
I agree that LE's 2000 team was probably the best at ISU, but how many of those players were from Tim Floyd? Eustachy rode on the coat tails of Tim Floyd, let's see how well Southern Miss does with LE and look at USC with Floyd. the 2000 team was absolutely top notch, they could have won it all it they would have gotten by MSU.
And, at $600k or so salary, he did not charge as much as a Bobby Knight either. He is definitely a good deal, it was the one million plus ($1.3M) that was more difficult to pay. He helped/allowed his assistant to get the UNI job and he did not raid the UNI recruits. That was nice.
Anyone know how much Steve Alford is making? We can check the bang for the buck after next season.
If WM was getting $600k per season, that was about $40k a win last year.
Anyone know how much Steve Alford is making? We can check the bang for the buck after next season.
If WM was getting $600k per season, that was about $40k a win last year.
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We are lucky to have GMAC... let's move on.
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I don't agree...let's move on.
We are lucky to have GMAC... let's move on.
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I don't agree...let's move on.
