Mizzou Presser

[chuckd4735]

I can see Texas aTm going to the SEC...I still think it benefits them. I see no way this benefits Mizzou. They will lose Texas recruits BIG TIME (which has brought them their recent success), and Columbia will move to about the 11th or 12th most attractive place for an SEC recruit to play.

 

[Clonefan32]

I love the "recruiting won't fall off because we will get all these recruits that just want to play in the SEC" argument. Ask Kentucky how well that works...

 

[BuzzBuzzBuzz]

I think it's hilarious the difference in the way the Mizzou to SEC information is being presented; By-and-large It seems the national media and the other Big XII schools message boards have taken a "just get it over with and leave" mentality.

Since Mizzou's perpetually looking for the next best thing to make themselves feel important, that's gotta hurt.

 

[chuckd4735]

I love the "recruiting won't fall off because we will get all these recruits that just want to play in the SEC" argument. Ask Kentucky how well that works...

I would think the main reason Kentucky and Vanderbelt have no football success in the SEC is because they dont have much football tradition and are the 2 furthest north(currently). Mizzou will fit in real nice with those 2 schools.

 

[twistedredbird]

Let's be real: mostly the ISU fan base is jealous of Missouri because it has options and is exercising them. It's an inconvenience to us.

Not like they wanted to pay money to see Mizzou vs ISU either. :-(

 

[HFCS]

I know Nebraska was an AAU school when they joined the B1G but are not anymore. I don't think being a member of the AAU is going to drive any conference expansion. It is all about football and the $$$$$$$.

I don't want to turn this thread political, but ISU and Iowa may be headed in the direction of losing AAU membership long term anyway. I know some ISU fans are thinking that AAU status might be our golden ticket someday to pair with Notre Dame in the B1G, but we may not always even have that as a bargaining chip.

There are still people in Iowa politics who hold to excellence in education as part of our state's identity, but radical factions are growing who couldn't care less about public education and state universities. Elements in these factions even demonize both of them as the root of American decline when in truth they have been perhaps the strongest pillar of American excellence.

 

[Palmer]

No shocker.


Mizzou has always aligned itself with Confederate states. Have fun getting your buttocks kicked Josey Wales.

 

[oldwiseman]

I don't want to turn this thread political, but ISU and Iowa may be headed in the direction of losing AAU membership long term anyway. I know some ISU fans are thinking that AAU status might be our golden ticket someday to pair with Notre Dame in the B1G, but we may not always even have that as a bargaining chip.

There are still people in Iowa politics who hold to excellence in education as part of our state's identity, but radical factions are growing who couldn't care less about public education and state universities. Elements in these factions even demonize both of them as the root of American decline when in truth they have been perhaps the strongest pillar of American excellence.

Can't hurt that we just had a chemist at ISU win the Nobel Prize

 

[CyBer]

If Iowa State loses AAU membership, all schools deserve to lose AAU membership. We have some of the best research labs in the world (if not the best).

 

[Mizzoulander]

I would think the main reason Kentucky and Vanderbelt have no football success in the SEC is because they dont have much football tradition and are the 2 furthest north(currently). Mizzou will fit in real nice with those 2 schools.

Why would recruiting automatically fall off? Because David Ubben says so? There were years in the B12 where we didn't play more than 1 road game in Texas all season? I don't think it affected recruiting that much.

Go look at the Rivals ratings for some of the recent stars for Mizzou (Chase Daniel, Sean Weatherspoon, Danario Alexander, William Moore, Ziggy Hood, etc.) All Texas kids. All were being recruited by second-tier schools like TTech, OK St., TCU, etc. We don't win by poaching 4- and 5-star talent from Texas. We win by finding guys who fit our system, and coaching the hell out of them. Guess what...we're still going to do that. Recruiting is relationships, and those relationships don't die without a coaching staff change.

If conference geography dictated recruiting success, how do you explain the solid players ISU has pulled out of Florida in recent years? Is ISU a major brand name down there? Or does your coaching staff have some good relationships down there that point them in the direction of these diamonds in the rough?

We'll be fine.

 

[Clonefan32]

Why would recruiting automatically fall off? Because David Ubben says so? There were years in the B12 where we didn't play more than 1 road game in Texas all season? I don't think it affected recruiting that much.

Go look at the Rivals ratings for some of the recent stars for Mizzou (Chase Daniel, Sean Weatherspoon, Danario Alexander, William Moore, Ziggy Hood, etc.) All Texas kids. All were being recruited by second-tier schools like TTech, OK St., TCU, etc. We don't win by poaching 4- and 5-star talent from Texas. We win by finding guys who fit our system, and coaching the hell out of them. Guess what...we're still going to do that. Recruiting is relationships, and those relationships don't die without a coaching staff change.

If conference geography dictated recruiting success, how do you explain the solid players ISU has pulled out of Florida in recent years? Is ISU a major brand name down there? Or does your coaching staff have some good relationships down there that point them in the direction of these diamonds in the rough?

We'll be fine.

Unfortunately for you, most SEC schools find 4- and 5-star talent from Texas that fits their system and coach the hell out of them. That's the difference.

 

[jaretac]

Why would recruiting automatically fall off? Because David Ubben says so? There were years in the B12 where we didn't play more than 1 road game in Texas all season? I don't think it affected recruiting that much.

Go look at the Rivals ratings for some of the recent stars for Mizzou (Chase Daniel, Sean Weatherspoon, Danario Alexander, William Moore, Ziggy Hood, etc.) All Texas kids. All were being recruited by second-tier schools like TTech, OK St., TCU, etc. We don't win by poaching 4- and 5-star talent from Texas. We win by finding guys who fit our system, and coaching the hell out of them. Guess what...we're still going to do that. Recruiting is relationships, and those relationships don't die without a coaching staff change.

If conference geography dictated recruiting success, how do you explain the solid players ISU has pulled out of Florida in recent years? Is ISU a major brand name down there? Or does your coaching staff have some good relationships down there that point them in the direction of these diamonds in the rough?

We'll be fine.

Things are not going to be as easy for you in the SEC and you know that. Right now Missouri is one of the top 4 teams in the conference, in the SEC you might be lucky if your the 8th. This is a stupid move by Missouri (if you do indeed go).

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Why would recruiting automatically fall off? Because David Ubben says so? There were years in the B12 where we didn't play more than 1 road game in Texas all season? I don't think it affected recruiting that much.

Go look at the Rivals ratings for some of the recent stars for Mizzou (Chase Daniel, Sean Weatherspoon, Danario Alexander, William Moore, Ziggy Hood, etc.) All Texas kids. All were being recruited by second-tier schools like TTech, OK St., TCU, etc. We don't win by poaching 4- and 5-star talent from Texas. We win by finding guys who fit our system, and coaching the hell out of them. Guess what...we're still going to do that. Recruiting is relationships, and those relationships don't die without a coaching staff change.

If conference geography dictated recruiting success, how do you explain the solid players ISU has pulled out of Florida in recent years? Is ISU a major brand name down there? Or does your coaching staff have some good relationships down there that point them in the direction of these diamonds in the rough?

We'll be fine.

Why are you still here? If there was one school I trusted and I believed could be trusted, it was Mizzou. You just threw away 100 years of traditions, so gtfo. Enjoy your rivalry with...with...aaaa...hmmm. Not KU maybe the other KU?

 

[Clonefan32]

I wish nothing but Wisconsin-Nebraska style beatdowns on Mizzou while in the SEC.

 

[chuckd4735]

Why would recruiting automatically fall off? Because David Ubben says so? There were years in the B12 where we didn't play more than 1 road game in Texas all season? I don't think it affected recruiting that much.

Go look at the Rivals ratings for some of the recent stars for Mizzou (Chase Daniel, Sean Weatherspoon, Danario Alexander, William Moore, Ziggy Hood, etc.) All Texas kids. All were being recruited by second-tier schools like TTech, OK St., TCU, etc. We don't win by poaching 4- and 5-star talent from Texas. We win by finding guys who fit our system, and coaching the hell out of them. Guess what...we're still going to do that. Recruiting is relationships, and those relationships don't die without a coaching staff change.

If conference geography dictated recruiting success, how do you explain the solid players ISU has pulled out of Florida in recent years? Is ISU a major brand name down there? Or does your coaching staff have some good relationships down there that point them in the direction of these diamonds in the rough?

We'll be fine.

You play in a conference whose roots are very strong in Texas, and if you dont think that helps you in recruiting Texas you're kidding yourself. If you go to the SEC, you're going to be playing in a conference whose roots are very strong in Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida. Your going to be competing for kids from Texas with the likes of LSU, Arkansas and aTm, while continuing to lose alot of Texas talent to Texas, Baylor, Tech, OU and OSU. I could honestly see Mizzou start to lose out on Texas talent to KU, KSU and ISU because your conference wont have as big as impact in Texas as does the Big 12. Maybe aTm going to the SEC will change that some, but there is no way Texas becomes an SEC state so long as Texas is not in the SEC. You will be at most playing a game in Texas every other year as opposed to at least one every year. And if you think Mizzou is going to go into the southeast states and try to get players to come up all the way to the middle of Missouri, you're sadly mistaken. Mizzou will be able to keep up with Kentucky and Vanderbilt in the SEC, but I cant see them being consistent competitors with anyone else in that conference.

 

[Mizzoulander]

You play in a conference whose roots are very strong in Texas, and if you dont think that helps you in recruiting Texas you're kidding yourself. If you go to the SEC, you're going to be playing in a conference whose roots are very strong in Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida. Your going to be competing for kids from Texas with the likes of LSU, Arkansas and aTm, while continuing to lose alot of Texas talent to Texas, Baylor, Tech, OU and OSU. I could honestly see Mizzou start to lose out on Texas talent to KU, KSU and ISU because your conference wont have as big as impact in Texas as does the Big 12. Maybe aTm going to the SEC will change that some, but there is no way Texas becomes an SEC state so long as Texas is not in the SEC. You will be at most playing a game in Texas every other year as opposed to at least one every year. And if you think Mizzou is going to go into the southeast states and try to get players to come up all the way to the middle of Missouri, you're sadly mistaken. Mizzou will be able to keep up with Kentucky and Vanderbilt in the SEC, but I cant see them being consistent competitors with anyone else in that conference.

Where did we (the Big 8) recruit kids from prior to 1996...before we had these Texas "roots?" Texas has, like, 40 million people. Most of whom are football crazy. There's NO way you can claim that ANY conference "owns" Texas. Four separate conferences compete there now. No matter what, UT gets the recruits it wants. After that, it's a free-for-all.

I'm not worried at ALL about losing Texas recruits to KU/KSU/ISU (I'd be more worried about losing Missouri recruits to those schools). Instability will be used as a recruiting tool. Every competing coach will ask the recruit: "are you SURE they'll still be a Big 12 by the time you're a senior?"

As someone else mentioned, Alabama and Florida get the 4- and 5-star recruits, and coach them up. That's true. But so do TX and OU. And that didn't stop Mizzou from beating OU last year, or ISU from pasting TX on their home field. We'll struggle against the top teams in the SEC, of course. But over time, we'll more than hold our own against the rest.

The BEST part of this argument (unlike bowl speculation or revenue issues) is that it WILL be decided on the field. We'll see how Missouri fares...and I think most fans are excited about that.

 

[chuckd4735]

Where did we (the Big 8) recruit kids from prior to 1996...before we had these Texas "roots?" Texas has, like, 40 million people. Most of whom are football crazy. There's NO way you can claim that ANY conference "owns" Texas. Four separate conferences compete there now. No matter what, UT gets the recruits it wants. After that, it's a free-for-all.

I'm not worried at ALL about losing Texas recruits to KU/KSU/ISU (I'd be more worried about losing Missouri recruits to those schools). Instability will be used as a recruiting tool. Every competing coach will ask the recruit: "are you SURE they'll still be a Big 12 by the time you're a senior?"

As someone else mentioned, Alabama and Florida get the 4- and 5-star recruits, and coach them up. That's true. But so do TX and OU. And that didn't stop Mizzou from beating OU last year, or ISU from pasting TX on their home field. We'll struggle against the top teams in the SEC, of course. But over time, we'll more than hold our own against the rest.

The BEST part of this argument (unlike bowl speculation or revenue issues) is that it WILL be decided on the field. We'll see how Missouri fares...and I think most fans are excited about that.

To each their own I guess. I was arguing with anyone and everyone who said aTm's move to the SEC would hurt them, but the only thing I see that Mizzou gains out of this is "stability", and whats funny is, Mizzou has been a key detriment to the Big 12 stability over the past 2 years. I think they lose in just about every other category. I guess yours fans really never knew what it was like to travel to a bowl game anyways.

 

[Senolcyc]

Mizzoulander, you might as well give it up. There's a lynch mob mentality here. You can't win. The only thing Missouri is guilty of is having options.

 

[chuckd4735]

Mizzoulander, you might as well give it up. There's a lynch mob mentality here. You can't win. The only thing Missouri is guilty of is having options.

I dont think anyone is arguing that. I would love to be in Mizzou's position right now (although if ISU was in their position last year, I'm 100% confident we would be in the Big 10 this year). Its not a lynch mob mentality what so ever. If Mizzou bolts, I'm really not too worried about what will come of the Big 12. I just hate losing all these geographic "rivalries". As a fan, it sucks not being able to travel to away games, and if Mizzou bolts, ISU will have lost 2 day trips of road games, and that sucks.

The ONLY thing Mizzou gains out of the SEC is some additional stability, nothing else. If they were able to put the fears of the LHN aside, and work together with the rest of the Big 12, they could easily be in a pretty damn stable conference right now.

 

[fsanford]

Mizzoulander, you might as well give it up. There's a lynch mob mentality here. You can't win. The only thing Missouri is guilty of is having options.

yep, if ISU had the option to go to the Big 10 the move would have been made yesterday. Those who say otherwise are hypocrites.

In terms of how Mizzou competes, all depends on how they break down the 2 divisions.
LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou, A & M, Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama , would be a pretty tough division. Ole Miss has not won without a Manning at QB, but the rest, yikes...