KU, KSU, and Mizzou to the Big East?

[clonedude]

It's too bad we can't vote negative reputation for people who start threads like these.

Yeah, because we sure wouldn't want to have a conversation about the future of ISU athletics on an ISU message board now would we?

If you don't like it, go away. You don't have to read it.

I didn't make this stuff up? It's obviously being talked about. Whether it's true or not, we don't know. But it could be.

If you don't want to talk about ISU athletics, I suggest you don't come to cyclonefanatic.com. It's a waste of your time.

 

[SeattleClone]

In case you haven't caught on, the post was from a YEAR ago.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Yes we would. That's why if there is any bit of truth to this whatsoever, we had better act.... and quickly.

What scares me the most is the fact that supposedly Bill Self made a comment about how they were looking at going to the Big East. If that's true, that says something.

I was following you until your reference to Bill Self as you fail to mention he also said ISU would join the Jayhawks in heading to the Big East. If you are going to cite something cite the whole story.

Self: Big East was set to take Kansas, others - CBSSports.com

 

[cstrunk]

Self did make the radio comment. It was talked about a month or so ago. It was in reference to the realignment talks earlier last year.

 

[BigBake]

Ha ha....2010...fail.

 

[Judoka]

Yes we would. That's why if there is any bit of truth to this whatsoever, we had better act.... and quickly.

What scares me the most is the fact that supposedly Bill Self made a comment about how they were looking at going to the Big East. If that's true, that says something.

And if you weren't just being entirely reactive to something you read on a message board, you would have actually read Bill Self's comments. Which stated that during the conference shakeup last summer, KU, K-State, Mizzu, and ISU were all together in an emergency plan to join the Big East if the Big XII fell apart.

Also, do you really think that Pollard and Geoffrey are just hanging out doing nothing? Or that maybe they are a little more well informed than a random poster on a message board?

Seriously man, you're making us all look bad

 

[CyCrazy]

In case you haven't caught on, the post was from a YEAR ago.

LoL, nice catch.

Internet - 1

clonedude - 0

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

And if you weren't just being entirely reactive to something you read on a message board, you would have actually read Bill Self's comments. Which stated that during the conference shakeup last summer, KU, K-State, Mizzu, and ISU were all together in an emergency plan to join the Big East if the Big XII fell apart.

Also, do you really think that Pollard and Geoffrey are just hanging out doing nothing? Or that maybe they are a little more well informed than a random poster on a message board?

Seriously man, you're making us all look bad

Yup, if he was going to cite a story cite the whole damn story that includes talk about ISU.

 

[isuno1fan]

x2 on the idiots comment

 

[Rogue52]

The article is BS but the 2010 was just a typo. He talks about stuff that happened this past summer. Let's use a little common sense...

And the Big East better have a damn good financial argument to lure any Big XII team away right now.

Edit: What makes the article even more BS is all the grammatical errors and the fact there was no Wednesday, January 18th 2010 or 2011.

 

[chuckd4735]

When discussing conference realignment, the first rule is to NOT think like a fan. You must think like a CEO. No CEO in their right mind would leave the Big 12 TV money for the Big East TV money.

I have no doubt that KU, KSU, MU, ISU and Baylor are all talking to the Big East. You must have contingency plans if the Big 12 does explode, but there is a big difference between talking and acting.

Winner!

I'm also assuming the 2010 thing is a typo. I don't recall any big conference realignment talk coming out prior to summer...

 

[clonedude]

In case you haven't caught on, the post was from a YEAR ago.

Thanks SeattleClone.

Obviously no, I didn't realize it was dated 2010. Why I would think that the most recent post on the Baylor message board was quoting an article from a year ago? My bad.

To all of you that just went off and called me an idiot without even pointing out the date of the article, thanks a lot for being so classy. Says a lot about yourselves. I'm sure you've never made a mistake. Talk about idiots.

Nonetheless, I'm glad it's not true. It's the last time I will take something from the Baylor board again, that's for sure!

 

[cyclonefan1983]

Lets Kick out Texas from the conference and have 9 teams and could add somewhere else I hope.....All teams could share the revenue....

then Boycott Texas and no one schedule them along with Notre Dame and they will lose money that way

 

[isuforlife]

true or rumor........ISU better keep all doors open and be looking,,,,,,,,seriously

 

[CyForPresident]

Yes we would. That's why if there is any bit of truth to this whatsoever, we had better act.... and quickly.

What scares me the most is the fact that supposedly Bill Self made a comment about how they were looking at going to the Big East. If that's true, that says something.

Self: Big East was set to take Kansas, others - CBSSports.com

Self made those comments in November and was referencing the plans for KU, KSU, MU, and ISU if the Big 12 did dissolve last summer.


No one is leaving this conference. No one. It is now a prision. Texas and Oklahoma will have their own network and get all of the benefits of being an independent as well as a conference member. OU and UT will be earning $30-35 million in TV revenue. That gets cut in half if they go independent. The football conference schedule is also weak enough that they can schedule whoever the want in non-conference (BYU, ND, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Cal, Maryland, Florida State, TCU, Tennessee, Ohio State, LSU all on their schedule), but also gain the financial stability for a conference for olympic sports.

Texas A&M wants to go the SEC. It will never happen because Texas politics will never let it happen. The SEC also used OU and A&M last summer by offering membership to undermined the PAC 10 efforts to gain the southern 5. The SEC is the last conference that wants to change. They are the kings right now and just want to maintain the status quo. A&M will settle for their own network at some point and be happy for it. A&M and UT also have a CFB cold war, neither wants to be responsible for destroying the Big 12. Neither can leave before the other.

The other 7 schools would love to join another conference, but the money is just not there. OSU and TT can't go any where because they are secondary state schools bound by state politics with terrible academics. KSU and KU are bound by politics and positioned in a market smaller than Iowa. Mizzou and ISU want the Big 10, but the Big 10 gains nothing by adding them. The Big East is an option, but has terrible football and an even worse TV contract. Baylor is just Baylor and should have never been in the Big 12 to begin with. The final 7 schools will eventually come together and create our own MIKOT (Mizzou, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas) network.

Like it or not, all 10 of us are bound together for lack of a better option. We are an independent association of universities. Lets just hope that we can add 2 schools for the future of our association.

 

[clonedude]

true or rumor........ISU better keep all doors open and be looking,,,,,,,,seriously

True.

With this new Longhorn Network, the viability of the Big 12 is on shakier ground than ever before IMO. And that is coming from Texas reporters themselves. Not that I should trust Texas reporters though, right? I should have learned my lesson on that one.

But I can't believe that the rest of the conference is all too happy about this. They are going to show high school football games on their own network that have recruits playing in them that they want. How fair is that? "Hey, if you commit to Texas, we'll show your high school game on national TV!".

My question is this.... when ISU plays at Texas, and they show the game on the Longhorn Network... do we see any kind of money from this or not?

 

[jimmycy]

Yes we would. That's why if there is any bit of truth to this whatsoever, we had better act.... and quickly.

What scares me the most is the fact that supposedly Bill Self made a comment about how they were looking at going to the Big East. If that's true, that says something.

Bill self's comment was in regards to last spring when reallignment was swirling. The reports on this issue in Kansas City were failrly recent but his comment was about last spring. Also, the original quote was in regards to the remaining big 12 north schools which would include iowa state and matches up with other things that have previously been reported.

 

[HFCS]

This "article" or post, or whatever, from a Baylor board that leaves out any mention of ISU sounds like sour grapes to me. The loss must be stinging and never winning in Ames in history must be stinging.

I have no doubt that many Big 12 teams including ISU were talking with the Big East when the Pac Ten commissioner was trying to turn college football into the NFL. He didn't get his dream of NFL 2.0 (although he's still hoping for it), and at this point it doesn't make sense for any of the Big 12 schools to leave for an inferior Big East conference. Yes it is INFERIOR by a mile in football, in tv revenue and starting next year it will be inferior in college basketball as well with the two worst Big 12 programs leaving and the Big East having some dead weight teams like DePaul playing in an empty arena an hour drive from their campus.

I would argue it makes sense for the B12 to look at expanding but that's a completely different discussion.

 

[leroycyclone]

Big 12 schools according to Us News and World Report rankings:

Texas - 45
A&M - 63
Baylor - 79
CU - 86
ISU - 94
MU - 94
KU - 104
NU- 104
OU - 111
OSU - 132
KSU - 132
TT - 159

 

[clonedude]

This "article" or post, or whatever, from a Baylor board that leaves out any mention of ISU sounds like sour grapes to me. The loss must be stinging and never winning in Ames in history must be stinging.

I have no doubt that many Big 12 teams including ISU were talking with the Big East when the Pac Ten commissioner was trying to turn college football into the NFL. He didn't get his dream of NFL 2.0 (although he's still hoping for it), and at this point it doesn't make sense for any of the Big 12 schools to leave for an inferior Big East conference. Yes it is INFERIOR by a mile in football, in tv revenue and starting next year it will be inferior in college basketball as well with the two worst Big 12 programs leaving and the Big East having some dead weight teams like DePaul playing in an empty arena an hour drive from their campus.

I would argue it makes sense for the B12 to look at expanding but that's a completely different discussion.

Assuming the Big 12 does stay together, basically because they have no other option, doesn't it make sense to get back to 12 teams and have a conference championship game again?

Paul Rhoads, when asked, said that he fully expects the conference to add two more teams again at some point. He said he had no inside info, but it was just his gut feeling. My feeling is that Rhoads probably knows a lot more about it than we do, so it must have something behind it?

If so, which two teams makes the most sense? I think the following schools make the most sense.... BYU, Boise St, Air Force, Louisville, Memphis, or maybe Houston? TCU made a lot of sense, but they're gone now. I think BYU and Air Force would be interesting myself. Air Force has a nationwide appeal. So does BYU.