Did you think she got a fair shake this past season? I don't, but CBF must have had his reasons.
Kelsey Joens in Portal
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If Bill has to make a choice of starting Jada/Hare/Joens or Jada/Hare/Jackson, he should be taking the first trio due to the defensive/rebounding length that Joens provides over Jackson at the 3. I am not going to argue that Jackson may be the better player over Joens but team results would be be better with Joens starting as opposed to a guard trio where nobody is over 5-9.
Now hopefully this is irrelevant when/if a starter quality 3&D wing (hopefully 6-0 or taller) is signed up from the portal. If that player isn't added, the ceiling for next season's team is significantly reduced.
Really hoped Tanke or others had left! My fave as she was hustle and scrappy! Nobody else tries as hard. Bad look for incoming recruits. Playing hard and hustling not valued.
As fair as anyone. Every coach will tell you that play time comes from practice. What hurt this year was a couple of players doing well in practice and that not translating to the court. Early on they were given minutes that would later come to Joens. Even the coaching staff said they should have settled on a starting lineup earlier (post Hare injury). But when players like Hansford are killing the nets in practice it makes one think that will translate…it didn’t. What Joens did was persevere. Kept working hard and was rewarded the last 1/3 of the season. No one had a grudge or was holding her out because she was a “Joens.” The middle 1/3 of the season was a case of player shuffling trying to find a missing piece and it took too long to happen - yes. But that still doesn’t mean she was treated unfairly.
You seem to derive pleasure by repeating this phrase (at least twice in this thread) and in pointing out Aubrey Joens DNP games in the former players thread. Why?
Aubrey Joens doesn't regret transferring to Oklahoma, despite what you believe. She was part of a GREAT team, and she contributed to that success even if it didn't include significant time on the court. That's what most players want, to be part of a team that wins conference championships and is seeded to do well in the NCAA tournament.
2023 Oklahoma - Big XII Regular Season Co-Champs - NCAA 5 Seed - Lost to 4 Seed
2024 Oklahoma - Big XII Regular Season Champs - NCAA 5 Seed - Lost to 4 Seed
2025 Oklahoma - SEC - 4th Place - NCAA 3 Seed - Lost to eventual champ UCONN in Sweet 16
I'd opine Aubrey found greener grass, but it's all a matter of perspective.
So on point and as you have pointed out earlier there are only 200 minutes available for 5 people. This is one player I DID NOT want to lose as she brings hustle every game. What hurt is her scoring was not consistent (sometimes due to not getting more chances) enough so she would get pulled for Sidney. I hope she finds a team(not in the Big 12 or Iowa) that will give her the time to show her skills and I will be cheering for her. When people on here want MORE good players this is what happens, todays players want floor time and with the portal if they don't get what they want they transfer. Untill they put a rule in place that unless you lose your coach you have to sit a year between changes the merry go round will continue. Good luck Kelsey we will miss you!
I'm sad about this news as Kelsey was my favorite player to watch this season. I admired her grit and hustle, and always hoped she'd play more. I unfortunately think she was one of the players on a short leash. I don't blame her for wanting to consistently play quality minutes. Ashley was such a stellar player for Iowa State that I'm disappointed that her sisters didn't have the same experience. I'll be rooting for Kelsey wherever she ends up. (Barring Baylor and Texas of course. 
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)I think you probably know Kelsey is 5'10". So 1" isn't going to be the difference between the women being a top Big12 team vs. middle-of-the-pack.
I look at the situation as shades of grey between our returning wings. All capable players who could be quality bench players and the staff had to prioritize needs vs. player skills.
I think we can agree on one thing, it would be great to add a 6'+ swiss-army knife in the portal. A more athletic Addy Brown.
All I can say is…. if we don’t have more than 10 mins for her next year…. we better be REALLY dang good then!! No excuses Bill!!
This isn’t a knock on Kelsey Joens. She played hard and did a lot of little things. Just wasn’t consistent enough on either end of the court to earn more minutes.
I don't think that is true. CBF was on record right before the season saying that the transfers were struggling shooting, but he was he was hopeful that would change with time. I think it was great that Bill played a lot of players early in the season. I always thought our ceiling was higher with Hare and Hansford playing a well. The issue was that Hare was hurting and Hansford couldn't make a shot. Tanke was playing a lot, but very inconsistent as a freshman. I'm sure CBF had his reasons, but Kelsey looked like a last resort even though she was a proven commodity. Kelsey became a starter and her minutes went up only after CBF exhausted all other options and the team was really struggling. It is not uncommon for coaches to have favorites or even have tough decisions regarding minutes, but I felt sorry for Kelsey because on the surface she seemed like she was giving everything to try and help the team. Hopefully she find a good fit for her.
We have probably around 100 minutes spoken for with Crooks (and posts), Brown, and Jada. Bill will have to find a way to split the rest between the 7 other guards we have. If we find a good forward, Brown will play the 3 more and the minutes would be even tighter. I can see Kelsey finding starter level minutes at even another P5 team.
I certainly know that Kelsey is 5-10 and also know that she has a above average wingspan that provides her essentially a two inch advantage over Jackson.
See that's the thing.... who was more capable to earn more minutes?
Definitely not Tanke or Hansford.
Hare struggled during her stint... anyone who says elsewise was not paying attention.
Jackson... she would just straight up dissappear for entire games... I like her but consistent she is not.
So why did Tanke get the minutes against Michigan?
I love CBF but he really struggled this season with his minutes distributions and substitution patterns.
She struggled as she was hurt, come on Joens was not an all American like many are making her out to be, a healthy Hare will be better than a healthy Joens IMHO.
Not at all but people here seem to think that we have so many capable guards... I don't know where they are getting that from.
It just seems:
Hare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jackson>>>>Tanke=Hansford=joens
Hare well be our savior. Ok but she was not good this year... well... she was hurt. Ok then how is she going to be our savior... well.. trust me she is amazing.
From ISU Website - Soph Year at Marquette
Prior to Iowa State (Marquette)
2023-24
Averaged 14.0 points, 2.4 assists and 2.1 rebounds while starting 31-of-32 games for Marquette as a sophomore… two-time Big East weekly honor roll… broke program record for threes made by a sophomore (91)… season 3-pointers made ranked first in the Big East and 13th in the nation… reached 100 career triples in 49 games… season 3-point percentage of .425 also led all conference players and was 13th in the nation… scored in double figures 24 times and hit of 3-pointer in 30 games, including each of the Golden Eagles’ last nine contests… registered four 20-point games, including a career-high 25 points against Boston College (Nov. 24)… dished out a career-high seven assists in a win over Illinois (Nov. 11).
This is why many feel she will be so much better than the other options.
