Add in the STRONG likelihood that an ISU or KU would have a reduced cut of revenue for a good chunk of time and the math gets even better for existing conference members.
Kansas to Big 10?
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Same was true when we played Duke in hoops at the United Center during the McDoormat era. We outnumbered the Dookies for sure and were loud. Only problem was the actual game. Not a great effort. And the UVA NCAA Tourney game at the UC was a huge ISU crowd as well.
I think only looking at TV money is incomplete.
Iowa State fans would pour money into the western Big Ten schools -- we are a small but dedicated fanbase that likes to travel for games, and I am sure many of us would love to take in a game per season at Memorial Stadium, the nice new Gophers stadium, Madison, the Big House, or the Horseshoe.
Tickets cost money, and those communities would appreciate having the extra tourists coming in with Iowa license plates on their cars. Fuller stadiums look good on TV, too.
I do not know how to quantify this effect, but it would help make something up for us.
Agree 100%. Look no further than KC during the Big 12 tournament or practically any bowl game. We show up. We spend money. We care a lot about our school. That's worth a lot.
I'm a junkie, so I'll watch the Hawks if they're not playing at the same time, but I usually die of boredom unless they're getting a beat down.
if the B10 is as smart as they proclaim to be they will forecast where ISU is heading in terms of product, facilities and Alumni and NOT where they used to be. You never build based on where you are today but rather where you will eventually be. Same with adding ISU.
The real question isn't if ISU would be a good fit but how many teams bring more to the table either by perception or reality. With the ACC being untouchable for years if there is expansion its essentially pac12 or ISU. KU is only in consideration (and i say consideration generously) because they are desperate and willing to take significantly less money for stability.
ISU has a way of turning visiting venues into home field advantage.
The B1G does hold all the cards... ISU will end up taking less $ for a while, until they become fully vested. The other schools still win and they land a much needed school with competitive sports teams.
The problem is a lot of those people have this "2010" mindset where just getting the big 10 network on a cable package is what matters, not who watches it. Media is shifting to "how many eyeballs are actually watching this". ISU shines here more than a lot of schools. That will get us a landing spot somewhere. As some others have pointed out our fanbase cares, and it shows.
The question is this IMO for the BIG...How forward thinking are you? BC 10 years from now ESPN and FOX won't be only players in this market that much is certain.
Does the BIG want a rising fball program within their footprint who will only continue to rise in the BIG under Matt Campbell or does the BIG want just a Brand and hope that that Brand (USC etc) suddenly gains fan interest in 10 years in LA?
They could have both. It doesnt take a college football genius to see what is happening in Ames under Matt Campbell and what the future holds for ISU if ISU were in a stable, power conference.
Totally agree. There is a real world where the big ten adds USC, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, ISU and Kansas(at a discount) to get to 20 teams.
One caveat that alot of fans are missing is that most outsiders view your program as the CMC show. As long as he is there you guys are super attractive. If he leaves there is nothing saying that the team wouldn't freefall back to being unranked. We have seen it with a bunch of schools before and that is what makes ISU more risky to the big ten then large historical brands in major markets.
I think the Rutgers play made sure that the BTN was added to many standard cable packages in the NYC market, so that increased the revenue regardless of whether anyone actually specifically watched Rutgers.
So if CMC leaves and ISU falls back to the pack, that makes them fit right in with the West division and some of the East.
Certainly more weaker teams in the west then the east but those teams are lucky to already be in the conference not looking for an invite.
The big ten is also far more cyclical then other conferences. The west has had multiple teams rise up to play in the championship game same as the east but the only true power has been Ohio state for the past few years.
SOMEBODY has to win the west..... doesn't always mean they are good. When was the last time a team from the west won the title game?
I'm sure Pollard understands this better than anyone and will do everything he can do to keep Campbell here. If ISU does land in the Big Ten, isn't that more incentive for Campbell to stay and compete against the powers he grew up watching if he is compensated accordingly? I would argue it does.
I think it's pretty hard to speak for "most outsiders" on pretty much any topic you wanna throw out there.
