Like I said, I am not a ref. I do not know what these guys are being told to emphasize, what to call and to what level things can be allowed to be a "play on". Neither do any of you, so stop acting like the fact that you can google the ncaa rulebook somehow makes you experts on the "truth" of how a college basketball game should have been called.
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Like I said, I am not a ref. I do not know what these guys are being told to emphasize, what to call and to what level things can be allowed to be a "play on". Neither do any of you, so stop acting like the fact that you can google the ncaa rulebook somehow makes you experts on the "truth" of how a college basketball game should have been called.
I call out poor officiating no matter what. I call it out when I watch Iowa State and any game I watch. I will call it out when it happens, but until Hoiberg leaves I don't see a day that happens unless the officiating is super bad. It is a result of the basketball we play. We just don't play physical.
Can we please ban this guy or something. The only thing I've seen him do is gloat about how good Kansas is and argue that Kansas doesn't get the benefit of the calls. He isn't contributing anything of substance.
That is such a cop out. Being told to emphasize something does not mean you are being told to ignore other things. And a hook is a foul. And seeing as how I have worked with NCAA refs, I have a working knowledge of how things go in the NCAA. My problem isn't with how the games have been called but the consistency in which things are being called, and that I believe will come with time for the rules changes (not emphasis, but changes). My problem with you began when you started posting pictures and acting holier than thou, so go back to whatever KU circle jerk you came from, because no one here cares if you root for ISU too. You're a jayhawk first and that's all that matters.
I 100% agree with you about the consistency being the biggest issue. EVERY team in the ncaa has that same beef, including Kansas and other blue blood programs. This isn't a problem unique to other programs. It is hard enough for kids to come from the high school game to the college game and adjust to the increased level of physicality. It's even harder when fouls are called completely different from one game and one set of refs to the next. Whatever personal issues you have with me are irrelevant. That's a YOU problem. people don't get banned from message boards for having a different opinion. If you don't like what I say then don't respond or argue against it. Any photos I posted were in response to those posted by an ISU fan, whom I notice you aren't calling out for that. Hypocrite. I have never taken a holier than thou approach, merely pointed out that fans are all the same. We all want our team to get the benefit of the doubt. You just think that your view is not clouded by fandom but that the view of any opposing fan is. No surprise. there are a lot of programs out there with fans having a chip on their shoulder. BE it major programs trying to climb up to the next level or mid major programs trying to be considered at the same level as major programs, the rallying cry is usually the same: "We are getting screwed by the refs/conference/ncaa. They are preventing us from succeeding so that the big boys can still reign supreme.And working with an ncaa ref at his day job isn't working with an ncaa ref. I have had conversations over beers about the game with a coworker who called ncaa games as well. Nice try, though.
People on here have frequently commented that Niang could get called for moving screens much more often than he does. Also that Ejim lowers his shoulder on drives that is only called some of the time.
Also, its pretty common during game threads for people to point out when ISU got favorable calls.
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Someone posted a picture of a goaltend, you post a picture of Hoiberg's kid. Yeah that is totally the same thing. I can't believe that I made that mistake, I see that KU fans are not only experts on basketball rules but on message board rules too. Let's be honest here, you came to troll and you have done a pretty good job so far, you have gotten a few threads off topic and even ****** some people off, good for you. But the UNLV guys got kicked for less and they were at least entertaining.
Hey look, the Okie State guys are talking about officiating and KU basketball, better run along and tell them how wrong they are too
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Are you ****** that the outcome of the game is different than if those fouls had been called? NO. So in theory, you understand that ISU has been the benefactor of "bad calls" by referees, correct? That's all I am saying. It's silly to whine about bad ref calls for or against your team because inconsistent reffing seems to be the only constant in the sport. The only way that complaints matter is if you take it upon yourself to BECOME a ref and do it "right".
So touchy... Why do people take these things personally? It's a MESSAGE BOARD. Toughen up. I have made no personal attacks.
I read phog.net regularly for entertainment purposes and I do not remember a poster there ever noting calls that went in KU's favor. Not saying it never happened, but it is definitely rare.
Before you bring up Selden's out of bounds save as an example to the contrary, the only reason that was acknowledged by KU fans is that there was indisputable video evidence that it happened so it couldn't possibly be ignored.
Please don't fill in the blanks. You are obviously trying to elicit an emotional response from us. I said nothing about ISU not getting away with fouls. The whole point of my comment was to point out that fouls are missed all the time. If you can't remove the KU blinders and have a real discussion then you're talking to the wrong person.
There were plenty of KU fans on the ESPN boards last year that were empathetic with us about the bad call on the charge/block. KU just happens to have a super abundance of D-bag fans that drown out the knowledgeable ones.
He's mostly talking basketball.
If he weren't a KU fan, a lot of his comments would be taken differently.
I agree with you 100% that fouls are missed against both teams. This all started over a few ISU fans basically demanding that I admit that the only reason KU lost last year's game @ISU was because of one missed call at the end of the game. I chose to take your stance that missed calls were made that hurt BOTH teams, not just ISU and I am now the guy "with KU blinders on".
In a close game ANY call that is changed or made that was not made might have an impact to the end result. It's silly to be ****** over the impact of ONE bad call and blatantly IGNORE all the other bad calls that went in your favor. That's all I am saying. I am asking people to REMOVE their bias from the discussion and in the process being called the only person WITH a bias. It's comical.
The only way people don't have a problem with me is if I say "The refs screwed ISU, they should have won that game" and that is ridiculous. There are a half dozen bad calls in that game that, had they been properly made in the first place, then KU might have had the lead at the end and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. That's all I am saying. YOu can't scream for justice for HALF the teams in a game.
