Jamie Pollard preaches "Doomsday" about College Athletics and the NIL

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I'm not sure how exactly, but I feel like there will be an angle here for these athletic departments to break free of Title IX. These are not just students participating in university sanctioned activities anymore. They are now employees of the school. Feels like that is an opportunity for the lawyers to argue this no longer applies. You also have things like Kentucky spinning off their AD into an LLC, or challenges to the 5 to play 4 rules that again make these people look more like employees than student athletes.

As the whole structure of these programs and relationship changes, that could also redefine how Title IX may or may not apply to these evolved organizations.
Title IX isn’t about sports though. Sports fall under Title IX, which is broader legislation. Having a class of employee that’s all men like football isn’t going to help get around Title IX at all.
 

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According to Pollard, we have 2 years of budget before we have to start taking from other sources or deficit spending.
I think people who feel a sense of relief that Pollard's thriftiness has resulted in this 2 year window are still missing the point. That's money we won't be able to spend elsewhere. That's why it's urgent someone wraps some sense around this...now.
 

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I think people who feel a sense of relief that Pollard's thriftiness has resulted in this 2 year window are still missing the point. That's money we won't be able to spend elsewhere. That's why it's urgent someone wraps some sense around this...now.
Well it's frustrating because half of the people I talk to have no idea why NIL would even be a bad thing, they just have no idea there is no awareness about the issue at all or that it could even potentially be an issue.
 

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Well it's frustrating because half of the people I talk to have no idea why NIL would even be a bad thing, they just have no idea there is no awareness about the issue at all or that it could even potentially be an issue.
NIL would have been fine unlimited pay for play with no gaurdrails has been a disaster.
The 20 million payroll is going to be a heck of a hardship for a school with budgetary constraints like ISU IMO.
 

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Ha I mean that's the crux of the entire video, no one currently has a solution

My take a way was that Pollard wants help from the State/Regents, or at least wants them and the University to decide how important Cyclone Athletics are to Ames, Central Iowa, Iowa at large, etc

Pollard said there's a world in which we collectively decide ISU Athletics aren't worth the investment and they become UNI. He doesn't want that to happen, but it could

It's worth taking an hour to watch the full video
Tax the sportsbooks more is the first step.
 

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I still enjoy ISU sports enough I hope it doesn't but will I still attend if we become UNI/Drake, yeah probably it'll be cheap entertainment
He makes a really good point about the board of regents, I don’t have any confidence that they won’t turn Iowa state into Wisconsin platteville.
 

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Duh!
Applications to Butler went up over 50% after they made the Final Four.

Applications to FGCU went up 40% after they made the Sweet 16.

Applications to VCU went up 20% after they made the Final Four.

Applications to Gonzaga went up 12% after their first Elite Eight (1999).

Applications to Boston College went up 30% after Flutie's Heisman season.

Applications to Florida went up 10% after their back-to-back MBB championships.

Out-of-state applications to George Mason went up over 50% after they made the Final Four.
Alabama has seen an increase in enrollment in the Sagan years. It matters.
 
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what really bothers me is none of this is really new. And from what I can tell legislatively nothing is happening in the state. Maybe I’m wrong as I live out of state now, but the legislative session is going to end soon and then it’s another year at least till something happens.
 

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They will raise ticket prices. They need to sell beer.
If that were the answer, Iowa State would be selling beer. It's not a new idea. It's been looked at more than once and income minus expenses apparently doesn't make it worth doing.

Arizona was mentioned as an athletic department with $100-million in debt. Arizona sells beer in the stadium. It's simply not the answer to the problem.
 

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If that were the answer, Iowa State would be selling beer. It's not a new idea. It's been looked at more than once and income minus expenses apparently doesn't make it worth doing.

Arizona was mentioned as an athletic department with $100-million in debt. Arizona sells beer in the stadium. It's simply not the answer to the problem.
Funny enough they do sell beer at CY Stephens for events.
 

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The beer thing… I guarantee Jamie knows exactly how much it would net, and it simply won’t be enough to solve anything.

In addition — I suspect he doesn’t want to directly compete with potential food and bev tenants as they are trying to sign them up for CyTown.
 
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Lot of good points

Would be sad state of affairs if the Olympic sports die out at colleges because they do not generate revenue

Paying players like 50k, 100k or something for the revenue they make the school and letting them make their own nil money makes sense. Having school/fans pay college athletes 500k+ is crazy. At that point start all over and just expand the pro game with minor league teams in scattered cities. Let college go back to student athletes who are playing because they love the sport
half of college olympic sports teams are made up of foreigners training under our collegiate system.
 

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For sure....unfortunatly because there is/would be a "political" piece to it (either changing state law to allow funding to Ath Depts or just the nature of education funding) LOTS of ability for folks to fuss.

There can't be a state law against it now, Iowa subsidizes UNI.
 

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I doubt that he’ll ever think about cutting cross country, but Jamie does understand the overall business side. How he can justify men’s and women’s golf in this environment doesn’t make sense.

t probably makes sense because he has to fund X amount of sports to maintain Big12 membership.
 

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Title IX isn’t about sports though. Sports fall under Title IX, which is broader legislation. Having a class of employee that’s all men like football isn’t going to help get around Title IX at all.
Yes, but Title 9 regulations for sports work a little differently. The university doesn't have to ensure a gender balance of faculty and staff like they have to do with athletic scholarships. They aren't balancing the male dominant comp sci department with the FCS program. Once all these athletes become employees, it is a different role than what they have been. And when all these schools are trying to make up millions in deficits, finding a way to get out of paying salaries for olympic sports, men and women, are going to look very appealing.
 
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The beer thing… I guarantee Jamie knows exactly how much it would net, and it simply won’t be enough to solve anything.

In addition — I suspect he doesn’t want to directly compete with potential food and bev tenants as they are trying to sign them up for CyTown.
He also had a big controversy when he called fans "slobs" because he knew how much of a mess people would make. He also said that the stadium just simply isn't built for those kinds of lines for the bathroom or vendors, logistically it just wouldn't work. Check out this article about it: https://iowastatedaily.com/312813/n...-alcohol-in-jack-trice-and-more-in-town-hall/